1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 AmericasCardroom.com brings poker back Million Dollar Sunday Tournament every Sunday 2 00:01:24,004 --> 00:01:24,844 How's that going? 3 00:01:25,274 --> 00:01:27,094 Mother's bawling and the uncle is pissed off. 4 00:01:27,764 --> 00:01:28,654 She's not married? 5 00:01:29,024 --> 00:01:30,854 Divorced, with 4 kids. 6 00:01:30,964 --> 00:01:33,204 I guess the Father was helping out. 7 00:01:33,574 --> 00:01:34,784 Helping out? 8 00:01:37,874 --> 00:01:39,754 Hey, Mr. Burke, they're in the back talking to the Bishop. 9 00:01:40,234 --> 00:01:41,044 And Father? 10 00:01:41,274 --> 00:01:42,364 We put him in the break room. 11 00:01:42,744 --> 00:01:43,924 Any press? 12 00:01:44,354 --> 00:01:46,464 Some guy from the Citizen, but we sent him away. 13 00:01:46,724 --> 00:01:47,564 None of the big papers. 14 00:01:48,054 --> 00:01:49,224 Let's keep it that way. 15 00:01:50,264 --> 00:01:51,094 Who's that? 16 00:01:51,684 --> 00:01:52,804 Assistant D.A. 17 00:01:54,024 --> 00:01:55,594 It's gonna be hard to keep the papers from arraignment. 18 00:01:56,304 --> 00:01:57,444 What arraignment? 19 00:02:00,324 --> 00:02:02,664 You can tell Father Geoghan it won't be much longer. 20 00:02:03,994 --> 00:02:07,224 Now Sheila, you know what a good work... 21 00:02:07,254 --> 00:02:09,504 the Church does in the community... 22 00:02:09,974 --> 00:02:12,594 But I give you my personal guarantee... 23 00:02:12,594 --> 00:02:14,684 that I'm going to take Father out of the parish... 24 00:02:14,714 --> 00:02:17,114 and this will never happen again. 25 00:02:18,694 --> 00:02:20,874 We'll just be another moment Paul. 26 00:02:21,484 --> 00:02:22,464 Of course Father. 27 00:02:23,544 --> 00:02:26,644 Now Sheila, I'm going to give you my personal card. 28 00:03:04,214 --> 00:03:06,114 Losing a good reporter... 29 00:03:06,514 --> 00:03:07,554 is always tough. 30 00:03:08,474 --> 00:03:10,534 But losing one of our best... 31 00:03:10,994 --> 00:03:13,674 Well, to put it this eloquently as I can. 32 00:03:13,724 --> 00:03:14,994 It's a real kick in the ass. 33 00:03:15,994 --> 00:03:18,064 But, Robby here has known Stewart... 34 00:03:18,204 --> 00:03:20,614 longer than most of you been alive. 35 00:03:20,704 --> 00:03:22,114 So I'll handed off to him. Robby. 36 00:03:22,624 --> 00:03:25,324 Oh, well, thanks Ben. I think. 37 00:03:26,254 --> 00:03:27,584 Although I take issue... 38 00:03:27,904 --> 00:03:30,744 with your reference to my seniority. 39 00:03:30,914 --> 00:03:33,894 I will say that Stewart's departure is specially... 40 00:03:33,914 --> 00:03:36,174 painful for me, because... 41 00:03:36,284 --> 00:03:37,004 For what? 42 00:03:37,374 --> 00:03:38,814 Stewart, 20 years now? 43 00:03:39,234 --> 00:03:40,614 Stewart's been more than willing... 44 00:03:40,744 --> 00:03:42,994 to part with his money at a poker table. 45 00:03:44,114 --> 00:03:46,264 And, I've got a kid in college. 46 00:03:47,334 --> 00:03:48,454 Yeah, but I'm gonna keep playing. 47 00:03:48,584 --> 00:03:49,974 Oh, problem solved. 48 00:03:50,854 --> 00:03:51,784 God speed then. 49 00:03:53,564 --> 00:03:55,484 Now Stewart, I find the... 50 00:03:56,184 --> 00:03:57,914 timing of your departure... 51 00:03:58,694 --> 00:03:59,674 disconcerted. 52 00:04:00,554 --> 00:04:01,734 A corner office... 53 00:04:01,964 --> 00:04:02,934 sits empty. 54 00:04:03,624 --> 00:04:05,414 The new editor arrives on monday. 55 00:04:06,254 --> 00:04:07,594 So I'm sorry buddy, but... 56 00:04:07,754 --> 00:04:08,954 I got to ask you. 57 00:04:09,644 --> 00:04:11,004 What the hell do you know? 58 00:04:28,614 --> 00:04:29,834 How's the cake? 59 00:04:30,074 --> 00:04:30,854 It's really good. 60 00:04:31,294 --> 00:04:32,254 You saving yours? 61 00:04:32,484 --> 00:04:33,404 No, that's for Mike. 62 00:04:33,444 --> 00:04:35,404 I can't ever eat at those things, they are kinda depressing. 63 00:04:35,504 --> 00:04:36,504 I know. 64 00:04:37,264 --> 00:04:38,304 Did you see the numbers from Washington? 65 00:04:38,404 --> 00:04:39,604 Yeah, very interesting. 66 00:04:41,134 --> 00:04:43,114 I'm not asking if the PD is lying, I know they're lying. 67 00:04:43,314 --> 00:04:44,974 All I'm asking who's behind it? 68 00:04:47,094 --> 00:04:49,244 Ok, I get it, you don't wanna talk. 69 00:04:49,994 --> 00:04:51,494 No Dan, I'm not mad, I'm hungry. 70 00:04:51,604 --> 00:04:53,364 I've been talking to you so long I didn't eat lunch. 71 00:04:53,464 --> 00:04:54,804 So I'm gonna get something to eat... 72 00:04:54,824 --> 00:04:55,944 and I'll give you an hour to decide... 73 00:04:55,984 --> 00:04:57,734 whether you want to be on the right side of this... 74 00:04:57,754 --> 00:04:59,154 or read about it like everybody else. 75 00:04:59,334 --> 00:05:00,334 Bye Dan. 76 00:05:00,844 --> 00:05:02,114 You think Cahill has something? 77 00:05:02,154 --> 00:05:04,454 Maybe. I just don't think the story is for us. 78 00:05:04,784 --> 00:05:05,494 Ben likes it? 79 00:05:05,534 --> 00:05:07,594 Yeah, it's not bad. It's just not Spotlight. 80 00:05:07,754 --> 00:05:08,944 What's just not Spotlight? 81 00:05:09,264 --> 00:05:11,384 - PD numbers. - The numbers story, feels thin. 82 00:05:12,324 --> 00:05:14,264 Oh, you got Cahill to talk? 83 00:05:15,324 --> 00:05:16,664 No, but I will. 84 00:05:17,494 --> 00:05:19,624 Good, then know if it's thin. 85 00:05:21,864 --> 00:05:22,944 How did it go upstairs? 86 00:05:22,964 --> 00:05:24,944 Ok, Robby gave a good speech. 87 00:05:25,134 --> 00:05:25,994 Sure he did. 88 00:05:26,024 --> 00:05:27,544 I heard Lubin and Connor are going to the Times. 89 00:05:27,844 --> 00:05:28,794 - C'mon, really? - Yeah, I heard that. 90 00:05:29,114 --> 00:05:30,174 They are leaching us. 91 00:05:30,214 --> 00:05:32,924 Well, at least they are sending us a guy from Miami to run things. 92 00:05:32,974 --> 00:05:33,724 That should help. 93 00:05:33,844 --> 00:05:35,834 Has Baron even spent time in Boston? 94 00:05:35,974 --> 00:05:37,114 He's never been here before. 95 00:05:37,274 --> 00:05:38,414 Maybe we should buy him a map. 96 00:05:38,844 --> 00:05:39,934 I have a friend down in Miami, 97 00:05:39,974 --> 00:05:41,234 said he cut 15% of the stuff. 98 00:05:41,404 --> 00:05:42,924 - Great. - Hey Robby? 99 00:05:42,954 --> 00:05:44,124 New boss coming in to make some cuts? 100 00:05:44,524 --> 00:05:46,204 I have no idea. 101 00:05:46,824 --> 00:05:48,384 Aren't you sitting down with him? 102 00:05:48,524 --> 00:05:49,384 Yes I am. 103 00:05:49,394 --> 00:05:50,524 So is it about spotlight? 104 00:05:50,894 --> 00:05:51,824 I don't know Mike. 105 00:05:51,854 --> 00:05:52,894 But I do know... 106 00:05:52,954 --> 00:05:55,894 That Ben needs an answer on that crime number story. 107 00:05:56,534 --> 00:05:59,094 I'm telling you, I really don't think that story is for us. 108 00:06:04,704 --> 00:06:05,704 Mr. Baron. 109 00:06:06,744 --> 00:06:07,944 Walter Robinson. 110 00:06:07,994 --> 00:06:08,994 Robby. 111 00:06:09,434 --> 00:06:10,954 Thanks for taking a time of your... 112 00:06:11,104 --> 00:06:12,354 - Oh, it's my pleasure. - Appreciate it. 113 00:06:17,674 --> 00:06:18,724 Oh, yeah. 114 00:06:19,054 --> 00:06:20,244 Great book. 115 00:06:20,384 --> 00:06:22,534 Globe has a season tickets at Fenway... 116 00:06:22,584 --> 00:06:23,984 once you settle in, by the way. 117 00:06:24,324 --> 00:06:25,564 Thank you. 118 00:06:25,724 --> 00:06:28,564 To be honest, I'm, I'm not much of baseball fan... 119 00:06:28,594 --> 00:06:31,054 I'm just trying to get the feel for the city. 120 00:06:31,664 --> 00:06:33,174 Oh, yeah. 121 00:06:33,634 --> 00:06:35,134 So, you're originally from Boston? 122 00:06:35,344 --> 00:06:37,124 I am, born and raised, yeah. 123 00:06:37,344 --> 00:06:39,624 A lot of the newsroom is from here. 124 00:06:39,654 --> 00:06:41,174 Really feels like ah... 125 00:06:41,254 --> 00:06:43,174 like a local paper in that way. 126 00:06:43,474 --> 00:06:44,464 And did that changed at all 127 00:06:44,474 --> 00:06:46,414 after the paper were sold to the Times? 128 00:06:48,054 --> 00:06:50,774 No. I don't think that big impact. 129 00:06:51,254 --> 00:06:52,374 Good. 130 00:06:54,284 --> 00:06:57,944 And... You're an editor for the Spotlight team. 131 00:06:57,974 --> 00:06:59,574 I prefer to think of myself... 132 00:06:59,594 --> 00:07:01,194 as a player-coach, but yes. 133 00:07:01,624 --> 00:07:03,194 Are you familiar with the Spotlight? 134 00:07:04,034 --> 00:07:05,174 No, not particularly. 135 00:07:05,214 --> 00:07:08,714 Well, we are a 4 person investigative team. 136 00:07:09,004 --> 00:07:11,744 We report to Ben Bradlee Jr. and... 137 00:07:11,764 --> 00:07:13,904 we keep our work confidential. 138 00:07:15,614 --> 00:07:17,044 What are you working on now? 139 00:07:17,614 --> 00:07:19,044 We just put out a piece on a shoddy... 140 00:07:19,154 --> 00:07:21,104 constraction outfit and right now... 141 00:07:21,154 --> 00:07:24,444 we're really just trolling around for our next story. 142 00:07:25,024 --> 00:07:27,084 How long does that typically take? 143 00:07:27,224 --> 00:07:29,584 Hard to say, a couple months. 144 00:07:30,724 --> 00:07:31,754 Couple months? 145 00:07:31,824 --> 00:07:33,754 Yeah, we don't like to rush it. 146 00:07:34,094 --> 00:07:36,044 Once we settle on the project... 147 00:07:36,114 --> 00:07:39,224 we can spend a year or more investigating. 148 00:07:42,204 --> 00:07:44,794 - Is that a concern? - Not necessarily. 149 00:07:45,404 --> 00:07:47,874 But, but from what I understand readership is down, 150 00:07:47,904 --> 00:07:50,244 the Internet is cutting into the Classified business. 151 00:07:50,264 --> 00:07:54,494 And, I think I'm gonna need to take a hard look at things. 152 00:07:55,454 --> 00:07:59,064 So... You anticipate more cuts? 153 00:08:00,684 --> 00:08:03,404 I think it's safe to assume so, but... 154 00:08:04,194 --> 00:08:06,064 what I'm more focused on right now is... 155 00:08:06,144 --> 00:08:08,594 finding the way to make this paper... 156 00:08:09,434 --> 00:08:11,114 essential to its readers. 157 00:08:12,304 --> 00:08:13,904 I like to think it already is. 158 00:08:15,474 --> 00:08:19,194 Fair enough. I just think that we can do better. 159 00:08:31,524 --> 00:08:32,874 - Mr. Bradlee. - Hey. 160 00:08:33,154 --> 00:08:36,414 - Saw the PD numbers, looks interesting? - Yeah, there's something there. 161 00:08:36,624 --> 00:08:38,844 - How long do you need? - Another week. 162 00:08:39,824 --> 00:08:42,074 - Where are you going? - 10:30. 163 00:08:42,394 --> 00:08:43,444 Since when? 164 00:08:43,764 --> 00:08:46,914 - Technically I am an editor. - Technically. 165 00:08:47,604 --> 00:08:49,524 Your sit down with Baron go that well? 166 00:08:49,604 --> 00:08:51,524 I couldn't get a read on him. 167 00:08:51,644 --> 00:08:52,814 That's a first. 168 00:08:52,864 --> 00:08:53,914 How about you? 169 00:08:53,944 --> 00:08:55,884 Oh, he's a barrel of laughs. 170 00:08:57,414 --> 00:08:59,214 Morning everyone. Lets get started. 171 00:08:59,914 --> 00:09:01,714 Do you want to say something, Marty? 172 00:09:02,754 --> 00:09:03,814 Sure. 173 00:09:05,954 --> 00:09:06,774 Hello. 174 00:09:07,684 --> 00:09:09,974 As most of you know by now... 175 00:09:10,124 --> 00:09:11,574 my name is Marty Baron. 176 00:09:12,164 --> 00:09:14,994 I'm... delighted to be here. 177 00:09:17,464 --> 00:09:19,564 If you could tell me your name as we go around... 178 00:09:19,564 --> 00:09:21,564 that'd be helpful. Thank you. 179 00:09:23,604 --> 00:09:26,964 - Ok, Peter. - Peter Canellos, Metro. 180 00:09:28,074 --> 00:09:30,394 We've got a major Big Dig closure... 181 00:09:32,144 --> 00:09:34,014 - Hey, Steve. - Mike. 182 00:09:34,114 --> 00:09:35,174 Hey. 183 00:09:35,554 --> 00:09:37,194 Crappy game last night. 184 00:09:37,554 --> 00:09:39,194 Hm, they can'thit worth a nickel. 185 00:09:39,224 --> 00:09:43,064 Listen, what's, what's Eileen McNamara doing in 10:30? 186 00:09:43,794 --> 00:09:45,024 You need something, Mike? 187 00:09:45,224 --> 00:09:46,094 No. Just curious? 188 00:09:46,164 --> 00:09:48,564 Go be curious somewhere else. I got work to do. 189 00:09:48,834 --> 00:09:51,034 - Ok Steve, see you. - Yeah. 190 00:09:51,634 --> 00:09:54,044 And it looks like Pedro is going to be out till september 1st. 191 00:09:54,504 --> 00:09:55,844 Jimmy says he could be back this year, 192 00:09:55,884 --> 00:09:57,524 but the doctor didn't seem so sure. 193 00:09:57,804 --> 00:09:59,304 When's the Pats opener? 194 00:10:03,044 --> 00:10:05,944 - Is that everyone? - Yes, that's it. 195 00:10:06,444 --> 00:10:08,424 Ok, good, thank you. 196 00:10:09,554 --> 00:10:13,124 Did everyone read Eileen McNamara column this weekend? 197 00:10:14,354 --> 00:10:17,664 - That's the Geoghan case? - Yeah. What's the folo on that? 198 00:10:18,424 --> 00:10:21,794 It's a column, what kind of follow would you thinking? 199 00:10:22,494 --> 00:10:25,644 Well, apparently this priest molested kids... 200 00:10:25,664 --> 00:10:27,904 in 6 different parishes over the last 30 years. 201 00:10:27,924 --> 00:10:29,084 And the attorney for the victims, Mr... 202 00:10:29,964 --> 00:10:31,084 Garabedian. 203 00:10:31,124 --> 00:10:34,254 Thanks Eileen. Mr. Garabedian says Cardinal Law... 204 00:10:34,284 --> 00:10:36,344 found about it 15 years ago and did nothing. 205 00:10:36,374 --> 00:10:38,114 Yeah, I think that attorney is a bit of crank... 206 00:10:38,144 --> 00:10:39,604 and the Church dismissed the claim. 207 00:10:39,634 --> 00:10:40,954 He said, she said. 208 00:10:40,994 --> 00:10:43,314 Whether Mr. Garabedian is a crank or not... 209 00:10:43,334 --> 00:10:45,614 he says he has documents to prove that Cardinal knew. 210 00:10:45,784 --> 00:10:48,004 And as I understand that those documents are under a seal. 211 00:10:48,044 --> 00:10:50,674 Ok, but the fact remains that Boston priest... 212 00:10:50,704 --> 00:10:52,934 abused 80 kids. We have a lawyer... 213 00:10:52,964 --> 00:10:54,954 who says he can prove Law knew about it... 214 00:10:54,984 --> 00:10:56,294 and we written all of... 215 00:10:56,314 --> 00:10:58,294 2 stories in the last 6 months. 216 00:10:59,204 --> 00:11:01,504 This strikes me as an essential story... 217 00:11:01,524 --> 00:11:03,864 to a local paper, I think that at very least... 218 00:11:03,874 --> 00:11:06,044 we have to go through those documents. 219 00:11:06,574 --> 00:11:08,014 How would you like to do that? 220 00:11:09,044 --> 00:11:11,734 Well, I don't know what the laws are here, 221 00:11:11,744 --> 00:11:13,934 but in Florida, we would go to Court. 222 00:11:14,514 --> 00:11:16,144 You want to sue the Church? 223 00:11:16,944 --> 00:11:18,704 Technically we wouldn't sue the Church... 224 00:11:18,724 --> 00:11:21,504 we'd file a motion to lift the seal on those documents. 225 00:11:21,624 --> 00:11:23,564 The Church would read that as us suing them. 226 00:11:24,224 --> 00:11:25,364 So will everybody else. 227 00:11:26,864 --> 00:11:27,884 Good to know. 228 00:11:31,294 --> 00:11:32,954 Gutsy call for a first day. 229 00:11:32,984 --> 00:11:33,994 That's one word for it. 230 00:11:34,124 --> 00:11:35,934 How do you think that's gonna play down front? 231 00:11:35,954 --> 00:11:37,804 I think Gilman's gonna shit a brick. 232 00:11:38,074 --> 00:11:39,494 - Hey. - Door. 233 00:11:40,074 --> 00:11:41,074 How did it go? 234 00:11:41,544 --> 00:11:43,444 Well, Baron wants to sue for... 235 00:11:43,474 --> 00:11:45,344 the sealed docs in the Geoghan case. 236 00:11:45,584 --> 00:11:48,194 Wants to sue the Church? Hey, that's great! 237 00:11:48,814 --> 00:11:51,754 We covered Geoghan when the story broke 3 years ago. 238 00:11:51,784 --> 00:11:53,104 Baron was still in Miami. 239 00:11:53,124 --> 00:11:55,434 I think he was at the Times then actually. 240 00:11:55,464 --> 00:11:56,274 He wasn't here. 241 00:11:56,294 --> 00:11:58,304 So do you think that sue has a chance? 242 00:11:59,264 --> 00:12:02,884 - Depend on the Judge. - And what parish he belongs to. 243 00:12:04,494 --> 00:12:08,584 Bradlee. Yeah. Ok. 244 00:12:10,504 --> 00:12:11,924 Baron wants to talk to us. 245 00:12:12,644 --> 00:12:13,644 Us? 246 00:12:14,244 --> 00:12:18,214 Ok Jim, thank you. Yes. Ok, thanks. 247 00:12:20,414 --> 00:12:23,694 I've set up a meeting for tomorrow with outside counselor. 248 00:12:23,854 --> 00:12:25,364 - Jon Albano. - Yeah. 249 00:12:25,624 --> 00:12:26,924 Who's the Judge in this case? 250 00:12:29,754 --> 00:12:32,194 - Constance Sweeney. - Tough. 251 00:12:32,764 --> 00:12:35,024 - Why is that? - Good catholic girl. 252 00:12:37,694 --> 00:12:38,554 So... 253 00:12:39,124 --> 00:12:41,054 Judging from what I've read, it doesn't seem... 254 00:12:41,084 --> 00:12:44,014 like we've done the very thorough investigation in the Geoghan case? 255 00:12:44,384 --> 00:12:45,414 Is that right? 256 00:12:45,544 --> 00:12:47,014 No. It's not. 257 00:12:47,444 --> 00:12:48,594 We looked hard at Geoghan. 258 00:12:48,784 --> 00:12:50,704 David Armstrong from Metro... 259 00:12:50,784 --> 00:12:52,204 and Michael Poison for Religion. 260 00:12:52,814 --> 00:12:55,744 Ok, but... Just so that I understand... 261 00:12:55,814 --> 00:12:57,444 beyond our daily coverage, 262 00:12:57,464 --> 00:13:00,954 we haven't commited any long term investigative resources... 263 00:13:00,974 --> 00:13:03,744 to the question whether or not Cardinal Law knew about this. 264 00:13:05,064 --> 00:13:06,474 No, we haven't. 265 00:13:06,864 --> 00:13:08,634 And that's the kind of thing your team would do? 266 00:13:08,864 --> 00:13:11,994 Spotlight? Well yeah, but we're still prospecting... 267 00:13:11,994 --> 00:13:14,254 the Boston PD story I told you about. 268 00:13:15,274 --> 00:13:17,964 - Could you set that aside? - We could. 269 00:13:18,274 --> 00:13:21,064 Marty, in past Spotlight's had success in large part... 270 00:13:21,094 --> 00:13:23,294 because they picked their own projects. 271 00:13:27,184 --> 00:13:29,034 Would you consider picking this one? 272 00:13:30,054 --> 00:13:32,184 I don't know if he's writing about you, but... 273 00:13:32,214 --> 00:13:34,314 I will let him know you called. Ok, bye. 274 00:13:35,194 --> 00:13:37,444 - Hey. - Hey, how did it go? 275 00:13:38,164 --> 00:13:43,074 Ok. Baron wants us to scrub the Geoghan case. 276 00:13:44,764 --> 00:13:46,434 - That's great. - Didn't we cover Geoghan? 277 00:13:46,464 --> 00:13:48,964 There's a lawyer alleging Cardinal Law knew about it. 278 00:13:49,304 --> 00:13:51,954 - Mitch Garabedian, right? - Yeah. I covered him at the Court House. 279 00:13:52,304 --> 00:13:53,224 Can you get to him? 280 00:13:53,264 --> 00:13:55,744 I only interviewed him once, he's kind of a character. 281 00:13:55,764 --> 00:13:56,994 I like characters. I'll take him. 282 00:13:57,084 --> 00:13:58,264 Good, you take him. 283 00:13:58,294 --> 00:13:59,774 Also we should be talking to... 284 00:13:59,924 --> 00:14:01,944 the lawyer who repped the victims... 285 00:14:01,964 --> 00:14:03,564 in the Porter case, Eric Macleish. 286 00:14:03,964 --> 00:14:05,564 That guy who is always on tv. 287 00:14:05,594 --> 00:14:07,224 The Porter case? Remind me. 288 00:14:07,294 --> 00:14:09,024 Yeah, Father Porter similar story. 289 00:14:09,134 --> 00:14:11,444 Molested dozens of kids in Fall River about 10 years ago... 290 00:14:11,474 --> 00:14:12,954 So, we're dropping the Boston PD? 291 00:14:13,094 --> 00:14:13,904 I vote yes. 292 00:14:13,944 --> 00:14:15,744 No, we should set that aside for now. Listen. 293 00:14:16,164 --> 00:14:18,094 I don't need to tell you guys this... 294 00:14:18,124 --> 00:14:19,524 we need to be more discreet than usual. 295 00:14:19,614 --> 00:14:20,614 Alright? 296 00:14:20,834 --> 00:14:23,504 Everybody's gonna be interested in this. Not just Herald. 297 00:14:24,104 --> 00:14:27,074 We can't let Cardinal Law getting wind of this untill we know what we have. 298 00:14:27,974 --> 00:14:29,124 Good luck with that. 299 00:14:35,554 --> 00:14:36,334 When are you leaving, Nana? 300 00:14:36,374 --> 00:14:39,584 The bus is picking us up at Church parking lot at 9 o'clock. 301 00:14:39,624 --> 00:14:42,494 - We got 40 going. - And is Father Dominic going? 302 00:14:42,994 --> 00:14:44,384 No, he says he's unlucky. 303 00:14:44,574 --> 00:14:46,454 But luck has nothing to do with it. 304 00:14:46,594 --> 00:14:48,884 You know, last time nana won $160. 305 00:14:52,464 --> 00:14:54,164 You gonna tell her? 306 00:14:54,564 --> 00:14:55,964 We don't even know if there's a story yet. 307 00:15:18,664 --> 00:15:21,554 Hey Lisa, could you pull all the relevant clips on that for me? 308 00:15:21,644 --> 00:15:22,644 Yeah. 309 00:15:23,264 --> 00:15:24,394 This is for Spotlight? 310 00:15:24,684 --> 00:15:26,814 Just drop 'em off when they're ready, thanks. 311 00:15:29,834 --> 00:15:32,114 Excuse me, do you know where the publishers office is? 312 00:15:33,244 --> 00:15:34,244 Will do. 313 00:15:37,894 --> 00:15:40,524 How are you Marty, settling in? 314 00:15:40,894 --> 00:15:42,744 Yeah, I think so. 315 00:15:43,074 --> 00:15:45,294 Good. What can I do for you? 316 00:15:47,924 --> 00:15:50,754 I'd like to challenge the protective order in the Geoghan case. 317 00:15:51,764 --> 00:15:53,364 You want to sue the Catholic Church? 318 00:15:55,134 --> 00:15:58,874 We're just filing the motion, but... Yes. 319 00:16:00,004 --> 00:16:01,604 You think it's that important? 320 00:16:01,804 --> 00:16:03,104 Yes, I do. 321 00:16:03,374 --> 00:16:04,404 Because... 322 00:16:04,674 --> 00:16:07,404 Obviously the Church will fight us very hard on this. 323 00:16:07,804 --> 00:16:10,474 Which won't go unnoticed by our subscriber base, 324 00:16:10,504 --> 00:16:12,474 53% of them are catholic. 325 00:16:14,844 --> 00:16:16,584 I think they'll be interested. 326 00:16:20,324 --> 00:16:21,324 Ok. 327 00:16:26,764 --> 00:16:29,044 Marty, Lake street will probably contact you... 328 00:16:29,074 --> 00:16:31,354 about face to face with Cardinal, it's customary. 329 00:16:31,804 --> 00:16:35,274 Yeah, they already have, it's set up for next week. 330 00:16:36,574 --> 00:16:37,884 I wouldn't mention this. 331 00:16:49,214 --> 00:16:50,214 Hello? 332 00:16:53,754 --> 00:16:54,754 Hello? 333 00:16:55,254 --> 00:16:56,094 Can I help you? 334 00:16:56,134 --> 00:16:58,374 Hi, I'm Mike Rezendes from Boston Globe, 335 00:16:58,404 --> 00:17:00,034 I'm here to see Mitchell Garabedian. 336 00:17:00,064 --> 00:17:03,764 - He's on the call, please have a sit. - Ok. 337 00:17:05,804 --> 00:17:07,324 Alright, I'm listening, go ahead. 338 00:17:10,414 --> 00:17:11,414 Ok. 339 00:17:12,044 --> 00:17:13,964 Bill, where the hell are those papers? 340 00:17:14,054 --> 00:17:16,124 I asked you to put them on my desk! 341 00:17:31,354 --> 00:17:34,154 The famous Walter Robinson in my conference room. 342 00:17:35,334 --> 00:17:38,274 Good to see you again Eric. Sacha Pfeiffer, Eric Macleish. 343 00:17:38,294 --> 00:17:39,304 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 344 00:17:39,334 --> 00:17:40,414 You don't play golf, do you? 345 00:17:41,464 --> 00:17:44,594 - No. - Good. Your colleague here, took some money of me... 346 00:17:44,624 --> 00:17:46,164 at the charity event last year. 347 00:17:46,194 --> 00:17:47,504 It was a very lucky putt, I... 348 00:17:47,534 --> 00:17:49,514 actually had my eyes closed, by the way. 349 00:17:50,644 --> 00:17:52,264 So, how can I help you guys? 350 00:17:54,114 --> 00:17:56,064 You are familiar with the Geoghan case? 351 00:17:56,234 --> 00:17:58,844 Sure, 80 plaintiffs. 352 00:17:58,864 --> 00:18:02,484 All of them individual cases, Garabedian must be swimming. 353 00:18:02,594 --> 00:18:05,824 Yeah, any allegation against Cardinal Law? 354 00:18:06,694 --> 00:18:07,894 Yeah, it's tricky. 355 00:18:09,464 --> 00:18:11,734 This is what you need to understand, these are shitty cases. 356 00:18:13,134 --> 00:18:16,184 Statute of limitation is only 3 years, and most of these... 357 00:18:16,214 --> 00:18:18,784 victims don't come forward till long after that. 358 00:18:19,044 --> 00:18:20,554 Why is that? 359 00:18:21,044 --> 00:18:23,554 Well they're kids, you know? Guilt, shame... 360 00:18:23,674 --> 00:18:25,664 And most of these kids come from tough neighbourhood, 361 00:18:25,704 --> 00:18:28,554 nobody wants to admit this kind of thing, so... 362 00:18:29,114 --> 00:18:32,484 you're screwed on the time moment, and... 363 00:18:33,224 --> 00:18:36,414 even if you argue your way around that, the charitable immunity statute... 364 00:18:36,494 --> 00:18:38,474 caps damages at 20 grand. 365 00:18:39,364 --> 00:18:41,864 20 grand, for molesting a child? 366 00:18:42,654 --> 00:18:45,984 That is the way the system is set up, yes. 367 00:18:46,064 --> 00:18:49,684 The Church is tough, so... 368 00:18:49,694 --> 00:18:51,834 your best shot is to try this cases in the press. 369 00:18:52,074 --> 00:18:54,254 Like I did on Porter. 370 00:18:54,774 --> 00:18:56,914 But you know, most of the victims they don't wanna... 371 00:18:56,914 --> 00:18:57,954 have anything do to with TV... 372 00:18:57,974 --> 00:19:03,134 and Mitch isn't exactly a people person. 373 00:19:03,614 --> 00:19:07,104 Yeah, if Garabedian can't get these victims just go before the press... 374 00:19:07,204 --> 00:19:08,344 that is really... 375 00:19:08,374 --> 00:19:12,074 That's right, and he has a long road ahead of him. 376 00:19:12,164 --> 00:19:15,714 My guess is, he doesn't have anything on Law. 377 00:19:16,734 --> 00:19:18,314 What do you think, he's bluffing? 378 00:19:18,734 --> 00:19:21,014 I think he's grandstanding... 379 00:19:21,034 --> 00:19:22,494 to cut a better deal. 380 00:19:23,174 --> 00:19:25,344 Seems a bit reckless. 381 00:19:26,174 --> 00:19:27,644 Have you met Mitch Garabedian? 382 00:19:28,644 --> 00:19:30,854 I asked you to write me that motion Bill, 383 00:19:30,954 --> 00:19:32,864 I didn't ask you to file it. 384 00:19:43,054 --> 00:19:44,194 Hey Bill... 385 00:19:56,234 --> 00:19:57,234 Hi. 386 00:19:58,274 --> 00:20:01,014 - Who are you? - I'm Mike Rezendes from Boston Globe... 387 00:20:01,034 --> 00:20:02,374 I had an appointment with you, about an hour ago. 388 00:20:02,394 --> 00:20:04,164 I can't talk to you, I'm busy. Sharon! 389 00:20:04,214 --> 00:20:06,374 She went for coffee, she said she'll be right back. 390 00:20:06,404 --> 00:20:08,264 I'm following up on an article... 391 00:20:08,884 --> 00:20:10,604 - The one in the Phoenix? - No, in the Globe. 392 00:20:11,354 --> 00:20:13,954 - Did you see the one in the Phoenix? - No, I didn't. 393 00:20:13,984 --> 00:20:16,454 I thought it was very good, I have a copy here somewhere. 394 00:20:16,484 --> 00:20:17,674 It's alright, I'll track it down. 395 00:20:18,094 --> 00:20:19,624 I'm actually following up on a column... 396 00:20:19,664 --> 00:20:21,994 that Eileen McNamara wrote about your suit. 397 00:20:22,014 --> 00:20:24,084 Suits, 84 of them. 398 00:20:24,114 --> 00:20:26,684 It's not a class action, you should get your facts straight. 399 00:20:26,714 --> 00:20:27,714 No, you're right, I should. 400 00:20:28,364 --> 00:20:30,314 So, I'm trying to get some background information... 401 00:20:30,344 --> 00:20:31,774 You are not recording this, are you? 402 00:20:32,674 --> 00:20:34,434 No, I wouldn't do that without asking. 403 00:20:34,464 --> 00:20:35,804 I can't show you the Church documents... 404 00:20:35,834 --> 00:20:37,574 if that's what you're after. They're under seal. 405 00:20:38,444 --> 00:20:39,444 Yeah, I know that. 406 00:20:40,484 --> 00:20:41,794 Did you know that they try to bring me up... 407 00:20:41,814 --> 00:20:44,924 before the Massachusetts Board of Bar Overseers 3 times? 408 00:20:45,034 --> 00:20:46,294 They are watching me very closely. 409 00:20:46,324 --> 00:20:48,814 - The Church? - Yeah, the Church. Yeah. 410 00:20:48,844 --> 00:20:51,304 They'd like to get me disbarred, in fact... Put that away. 411 00:20:52,004 --> 00:20:53,084 - Put it away. - Sure. 412 00:20:53,524 --> 00:20:55,994 I don't want you recording this in any way, shape or form. 413 00:20:56,014 --> 00:20:58,064 - Not on paper, not on tape, nothing. - Ok. 414 00:20:58,084 --> 00:20:59,864 In fact, I probably shouldn't even be speaking to you. 415 00:21:00,714 --> 00:21:02,754 Look, Mr. Garabedian, I know there's... 416 00:21:02,804 --> 00:21:05,704 things, you cannot tell me, but... 417 00:21:05,714 --> 00:21:06,934 I also know there's a story here.. 418 00:21:07,034 --> 00:21:08,474 And I think it's an important story. 419 00:21:08,544 --> 00:21:11,624 - I already talked to the Phoenix. - Yeah, there's a reason I didn't see it. 420 00:21:12,114 --> 00:21:14,214 Nobody reads a Phoenix anymore... 421 00:21:14,314 --> 00:21:16,214 they're broke, they don't have any power. 422 00:21:16,314 --> 00:21:17,464 The Globe does. 423 00:21:18,354 --> 00:21:20,734 If we cover the story, everybody will hear about it. 424 00:21:22,624 --> 00:21:24,924 The Church thinks in centuries, Mr. Rezendes. 425 00:21:25,214 --> 00:21:28,284 Do you think your paper has resources to take that on? 426 00:21:28,314 --> 00:21:29,404 Yeah, I do. 427 00:21:30,234 --> 00:21:33,684 But if you don't mind me asking... Do you? 428 00:21:35,204 --> 00:21:38,164 I can't talk to you right now, Mr. Rezendes. I'm very, very busy. 429 00:21:41,744 --> 00:21:42,814 - Sharon. - Thank you. 430 00:21:42,814 --> 00:21:43,814 Yeah, yeah. 431 00:21:44,044 --> 00:21:45,714 Can I at least talk to some of the clients? 432 00:21:45,754 --> 00:21:47,594 Victims? I'd really like to do that. 433 00:21:48,854 --> 00:21:50,144 - Call me tomorrow, I got to think about it. - Thank you. 434 00:21:50,174 --> 00:21:51,424 Yeah, yeah. 435 00:22:16,344 --> 00:22:18,414 A FAMILIAR PATTERN 436 00:22:26,154 --> 00:22:28,954 Porter faces Mass. Court as '87 abuse claim arises. 437 00:22:44,774 --> 00:22:47,264 - I got more clips from the library. - Leave 'em right there. 438 00:22:48,444 --> 00:22:50,604 Are you guys doing a story on the Church? 439 00:22:50,704 --> 00:22:52,774 No, we are not doing a story on the Church. 440 00:22:53,384 --> 00:22:56,414 Matt. You find anything on this guy Phil Saviano? 441 00:22:56,504 --> 00:22:58,064 No. Who is he? 442 00:22:58,184 --> 00:22:59,944 He's part of a victims organization. 443 00:23:00,124 --> 00:23:02,744 Kurkjian did a story on him right after the Porter case. 444 00:23:02,774 --> 00:23:04,604 There's a victims' organization? 445 00:23:04,954 --> 00:23:06,584 Yeah. It's called SNAP. 446 00:23:06,604 --> 00:23:08,954 It's Survivors Network of those Abused by Priest. 447 00:23:09,034 --> 00:23:10,304 Crummy acronym. 448 00:23:13,334 --> 00:23:15,564 - Want me to track him down? - Yeah, bring him in. 449 00:23:16,304 --> 00:23:18,304 How much longer do you need to get through the clips? 450 00:23:18,454 --> 00:23:20,864 I mean, a few days, there's a lot. 451 00:23:20,904 --> 00:23:22,434 - Lisa is still sending it more. - Ok. 452 00:23:22,454 --> 00:23:25,214 Hey guys, I think I got another Priest. 453 00:23:26,484 --> 00:23:29,534 Liam Barrett. Molested some kids in Philly, 454 00:23:30,084 --> 00:23:33,894 and was moved to Boston, did the same thing and was moved again. 455 00:23:34,084 --> 00:23:35,354 Really? That sounds like Geoghan. 456 00:23:35,554 --> 00:23:36,714 Is that one of our clips? 457 00:23:36,774 --> 00:23:40,174 Yeah, Byline's Diego Ribadeneira, 1997. Must've been back 458 00:23:40,194 --> 00:23:41,914 when he was working religion. 459 00:23:42,294 --> 00:23:44,824 - Was there any follow? - Not much, only show one piece. 460 00:23:45,964 --> 00:23:47,634 The Church settled the case. 461 00:23:50,574 --> 00:23:52,204 Don't you know Jim Sullivan? 462 00:23:53,074 --> 00:23:54,204 Yeah. Why? 463 00:23:54,974 --> 00:23:56,604 Looks like the Church brought him in to help out. 464 00:24:05,184 --> 00:24:09,204 Jesus. Has anybody but Manny gotten the ball out of the infield? 465 00:24:10,094 --> 00:24:12,064 Why do you even bother with that thing? 466 00:24:12,194 --> 00:24:14,264 It distracts me from the game. 467 00:24:14,424 --> 00:24:16,424 You know what else is good for that? 468 00:24:16,614 --> 00:24:19,694 Oh, yeah. Good idea, buy a round. I'll be right back. 469 00:24:20,264 --> 00:24:23,164 - Anybody want any food? - A hotdog. 470 00:24:25,744 --> 00:24:29,024 - So you guys making any progress? - Absolutely, it's a good story. 471 00:24:29,044 --> 00:24:33,164 Why? Because you're another lapsed catholic pissed off at the Church? 472 00:24:33,184 --> 00:24:34,974 - We got a lot of good stuff. - Like what? 473 00:24:36,684 --> 00:24:38,894 I'm just watching the game. Omerta. 474 00:24:39,224 --> 00:24:42,464 - They got another priest, Liam Barrett. - We reported it. 475 00:24:43,454 --> 00:24:44,554 I'm just saying, we did. 476 00:24:44,584 --> 00:24:46,174 Ok, but this guy was shuffled a lot... 477 00:24:46,204 --> 00:24:47,764 from parish to parish every few years... 478 00:24:47,784 --> 00:24:50,214 just like Geoghan and Porter. I think there's a pattern. 479 00:24:51,364 --> 00:24:53,714 Sounds thin. What else you got? 480 00:24:54,204 --> 00:24:57,984 Sacha's got another guy from a victims organization. Phil Saviano. 481 00:24:58,114 --> 00:25:01,124 From SNAP? O boy, we reported on him too. 482 00:25:01,144 --> 00:25:02,624 I thought you were watching a game, Steve. 483 00:25:03,014 --> 00:25:05,634 - That guy's pretty banged up, Mike. - We did a couple stories on him. 484 00:25:05,744 --> 00:25:07,644 Guy would not stop writing letters. 485 00:25:07,784 --> 00:25:08,784 He wants a holy war. 486 00:25:08,854 --> 00:25:11,394 - So, he's not worth talking to? - Where are you on Garabedian? 487 00:25:11,484 --> 00:25:12,264 I'm working on it. 488 00:25:12,454 --> 00:25:14,494 Robby say Macleish thinks he's bluffing. 489 00:25:15,724 --> 00:25:17,214 I think there's something there Ben. 490 00:25:17,524 --> 00:25:19,214 Get me something solid or I'm taking you off him. 491 00:25:19,294 --> 00:25:21,354 I don't want us chasing our tails on this. 492 00:25:30,934 --> 00:25:32,004 Stay away from that trap. 493 00:25:32,814 --> 00:25:35,204 You couldn't reach that trap in a million years partner. 494 00:25:35,284 --> 00:25:38,504 - I could reach that trap before. Yeah. Now Paul, maybe. 495 00:25:40,214 --> 00:25:42,074 - How we doing? - Good. 496 00:25:42,114 --> 00:25:43,944 We're two up in the front. 497 00:25:45,724 --> 00:25:49,404 - How's that new editor working out? - Well, he doesn't like baseball. 498 00:25:49,894 --> 00:25:53,084 But, he seems like a smart guy. 499 00:25:53,594 --> 00:25:55,964 Yeah, I read an article about him, said he's a... 500 00:25:56,684 --> 00:25:58,284 first Jewish editor of The Globe. 501 00:25:59,064 --> 00:26:00,714 Must have been a slow news day. 502 00:26:02,134 --> 00:26:05,924 - He got a family, this guy? - No, he is not married. 503 00:26:06,204 --> 00:26:08,794 - Divorced? - I don't think so, no. 504 00:26:09,314 --> 00:26:11,374 So, the new editor of The Globe is not married man... 505 00:26:11,414 --> 00:26:13,444 of the Jewish faith who hates baseball. 506 00:26:14,584 --> 00:26:16,244 - Yeah. - They should have given it to Ben. 507 00:26:17,014 --> 00:26:18,204 He's a Bradlee for crying out loud. 508 00:26:18,234 --> 00:26:20,814 Didn't raise his hand fast enough I guess. 509 00:26:22,354 --> 00:26:24,964 Hey by the way, I've been reading about this priest... 510 00:26:24,994 --> 00:26:27,274 Father Barrett, said you were involved with that? 511 00:26:27,864 --> 00:26:29,814 Barrett yeah, bad egg. 512 00:26:30,454 --> 00:26:32,734 Lake Street asked for help, I pitched in. 513 00:26:33,634 --> 00:26:35,744 Victims said Cardinal Law knew about... 514 00:26:35,784 --> 00:26:38,354 Barrett, when he came to Philly. Is that true? 515 00:26:39,044 --> 00:26:41,134 You know I can't talk about the case Robby. 516 00:26:43,574 --> 00:26:44,774 Off the record? 517 00:26:45,104 --> 00:26:46,634 Off the record, I can't talk about it. 518 00:26:48,644 --> 00:26:51,914 - This related to a lawsuit? - You know about that? 519 00:26:53,234 --> 00:26:54,454 Look. 520 00:26:55,284 --> 00:26:56,644 I don't know this guy Baron... 521 00:26:56,744 --> 00:26:58,834 or what his agenda is, frankly I don't care. 522 00:27:00,224 --> 00:27:03,004 I just don't wanna see you taking a bullet for him. 523 00:27:03,034 --> 00:27:04,334 I think you're wise. 524 00:27:10,094 --> 00:27:11,684 - Right over here. - Lets go, lets go. 525 00:27:12,004 --> 00:27:14,884 So the other day I was on the world wide web. 526 00:27:15,714 --> 00:27:18,844 Anything you wanna know, it's right there. 527 00:27:19,514 --> 00:27:22,254 Now, I have to admit that as a priest, 528 00:27:22,284 --> 00:27:24,134 this makes me a little nervous. 529 00:27:24,714 --> 00:27:27,454 Should I be worried about job security? 530 00:27:28,914 --> 00:27:30,454 I don't think so. 531 00:27:30,794 --> 00:27:37,464 You see... Knowledge is one thing, but faith. Faith is another. 532 00:27:52,984 --> 00:27:55,364 - Hey. - Hey. 533 00:27:57,584 --> 00:28:01,674 - So should we golfing or something? - "Golfing" is not a verb. 534 00:28:02,424 --> 00:28:04,404 And I couldn't get a tee time. 535 00:28:04,434 --> 00:28:06,134 Is that what they call it, tee time? 536 00:28:06,794 --> 00:28:08,744 They also call it a leasure activity. 537 00:28:08,774 --> 00:28:10,114 You oughta try it Mike. 538 00:28:10,134 --> 00:28:13,204 - I do, I run. - Yeah, you run to work. 539 00:28:16,374 --> 00:28:17,784 So why are you here today? 540 00:28:18,034 --> 00:28:20,324 Going over this clips of Saviano. 541 00:28:20,364 --> 00:28:22,624 Yeah, Ben and Steve thinks it's a dead end. 542 00:28:22,844 --> 00:28:24,694 They gave me a bunch of crap about it at the game. 543 00:28:24,774 --> 00:28:27,324 - Yeah, Ben emailed me. - He did? 544 00:28:27,684 --> 00:28:30,524 - Yeah, He said we should let it go. 545 00:28:30,984 --> 00:28:32,324 What do you wanna do? 546 00:28:33,624 --> 00:28:35,454 We bring Saviano in. 547 00:28:35,624 --> 00:28:37,954 So, just ignore those guys? 548 00:28:41,294 --> 00:28:44,344 I think we got to start ignoring everybody on this one. 549 00:28:44,374 --> 00:28:45,484 I'm good at that. 550 00:28:50,774 --> 00:28:54,004 You think Marty has any idea what's coming down the Pike? 551 00:28:54,034 --> 00:28:56,724 No, I don't think he cares either. 552 00:28:57,344 --> 00:28:58,514 That's refreshing. 553 00:28:59,254 --> 00:29:00,254 Yeah. 554 00:29:02,414 --> 00:29:03,754 Unless he's wrong. 555 00:29:22,874 --> 00:29:25,884 I have always been fascinated with the newspaper business. 556 00:29:26,374 --> 00:29:28,264 I used to sit in on the lectures with... 557 00:29:28,294 --> 00:29:30,154 the Nieman fellows, when I was at Harvard. 558 00:29:31,844 --> 00:29:34,484 I, I read that you were an editor once. 559 00:29:35,624 --> 00:29:39,204 Yes. That was a very long time ago. 560 00:29:39,654 --> 00:29:43,344 The Mississippi Register. Small. 561 00:29:43,684 --> 00:29:45,704 Diocese in newspaper. 562 00:29:46,364 --> 00:29:50,994 But for 30 year old Pastor it was a big responsibility. 563 00:29:52,134 --> 00:29:53,574 Too much at times. 564 00:29:54,904 --> 00:29:55,904 How so? 565 00:29:57,834 --> 00:29:59,994 I was close with the Evers brothers, 566 00:30:00,284 --> 00:30:02,924 we took a stand on civil rights. 567 00:30:02,944 --> 00:30:05,304 Our readership was not pleased. 568 00:30:06,014 --> 00:30:08,454 They saw me as meddling outsider. 569 00:30:09,914 --> 00:30:11,114 I can imagine. 570 00:30:11,784 --> 00:30:15,464 Tough sit to sit in, especially in a small town. 571 00:30:16,394 --> 00:30:18,144 I think you'll find that Boston's... 572 00:30:18,184 --> 00:30:20,854 still a small town too, Marty. 573 00:30:21,044 --> 00:30:22,394 In any ways. 574 00:30:23,234 --> 00:30:27,734 But if I can be of any help, Marty, don't hesitate to ask. 575 00:30:28,304 --> 00:30:31,404 I find that the city flourishes... 576 00:30:31,514 --> 00:30:33,594 when its grand institution works together. 577 00:30:35,204 --> 00:30:37,744 Thank you. Personally, I'm of the opinion... 578 00:30:37,784 --> 00:30:40,294 that for the paper to best perform its function 579 00:30:41,084 --> 00:30:42,304 it really needs to stand alone. 580 00:30:45,514 --> 00:30:50,414 Of course. But my offer still stands. 581 00:30:50,444 --> 00:30:51,444 Thank you. 582 00:30:53,624 --> 00:30:54,624 Come in. 583 00:30:58,234 --> 00:30:59,434 Thank you, Maureen. 584 00:31:02,164 --> 00:31:03,404 Little gift, Marty. 585 00:31:04,974 --> 00:31:09,014 Think of it as a Cardinal's guide to the city of Boston. 586 00:31:15,344 --> 00:31:17,894 CATHOLIC CHURCHCATECHISM 587 00:31:26,364 --> 00:31:29,244 - I'm here to see Sacha Pfeiffer. - Your name? 588 00:31:29,264 --> 00:31:31,934 - Phil Saviano. - Ok, just a minute. 589 00:31:34,064 --> 00:31:35,994 So, am I first survivor you talk to? 590 00:31:36,334 --> 00:31:38,984 - Yeah, sure you are. - Ok, well... 591 00:31:40,004 --> 00:31:43,204 First of all, let me say thank you for having me in today. 592 00:31:44,014 --> 00:31:45,454 And I want you to know that you'll have... 593 00:31:45,454 --> 00:31:47,874 the full cooperation of my organization, SNAP. 594 00:31:48,214 --> 00:31:50,834 How many members are in your organization Phil? 595 00:31:50,864 --> 00:31:53,054 We had eleven at our last chapter meeting. 596 00:31:53,084 --> 00:31:55,604 No ten, Karen just moved. 597 00:31:55,684 --> 00:31:57,564 You had a woman in your group? 598 00:31:57,594 --> 00:31:58,954 Of course there was a woman, 599 00:31:58,964 --> 00:32:00,554 they don't discriminate, not when it comes to abuse. 600 00:32:00,764 --> 00:32:02,464 And this has nothing to do with being gay. 601 00:32:02,494 --> 00:32:05,204 What this is, is priest using the collar to rape kids. 602 00:32:05,694 --> 00:32:07,184 Kids, boys and girls. 603 00:32:11,894 --> 00:32:14,244 PHIL SAVIANO AGE 11 604 00:32:14,644 --> 00:32:16,034 I was 11. 605 00:32:16,644 --> 00:32:19,034 And I was preyed upon by Father David Holly. 606 00:32:19,064 --> 00:32:20,064 In Worcester. 607 00:32:20,684 --> 00:32:23,094 And I don't mean prayed for, I mean preyed upon. 608 00:32:25,284 --> 00:32:26,594 Are any of you catholic? 609 00:32:26,824 --> 00:32:28,734 I was raised catholic, 610 00:32:28,734 --> 00:32:30,714 now I go to my wife's Presbyterian Church. 611 00:32:31,824 --> 00:32:35,174 I'm lapsed, I go to Church of my grandmother sometimes. 612 00:32:35,594 --> 00:32:39,074 It's safe to say we were all raised catholic, but now... 613 00:32:39,094 --> 00:32:40,204 Not so much. 614 00:32:40,234 --> 00:32:42,004 Ok, well let me tell you... 615 00:32:42,874 --> 00:32:45,394 When you are poor kid from a poor family, 616 00:32:45,424 --> 00:32:46,664 religion counts for a lot. 617 00:32:46,704 --> 00:32:49,764 And when a priest pays attention to you, it's a big deal. 618 00:32:50,444 --> 00:32:51,954 He asks you to collect the hymnals 619 00:32:51,994 --> 00:32:54,004 or take out a trash, you feel special. 620 00:32:54,144 --> 00:32:56,454 It's like God asking for help. 621 00:32:56,754 --> 00:32:59,064 Maybe it's a little weird when he tells you a dirty joke... 622 00:32:59,124 --> 00:33:01,774 but now you got a secret together. 623 00:33:02,024 --> 00:33:03,434 So you go along. 624 00:33:04,054 --> 00:33:06,074 Then he shows you a porno mag. 625 00:33:06,114 --> 00:33:08,604 And then you go along, and you go along... 626 00:33:08,634 --> 00:33:09,934 And you go along. 627 00:33:09,964 --> 00:33:13,254 Until one day he asks you to jerk him off or give him a blowjob. 628 00:33:13,274 --> 00:33:15,264 And so you go along with that too. 629 00:33:15,274 --> 00:33:18,764 Because you feel trapped, because he has groomed you. 630 00:33:20,004 --> 00:33:21,644 How do you say no to God, right? 631 00:33:22,294 --> 00:33:23,644 See... 632 00:33:24,714 --> 00:33:26,194 It is important to understand that this is not... 633 00:33:26,194 --> 00:33:28,684 just physical abuse, it's spirital abuse too. 634 00:33:29,714 --> 00:33:31,784 Then when a priest does this to you, 635 00:33:31,794 --> 00:33:33,784 he robs you of your faith. 636 00:33:34,784 --> 00:33:37,334 So you reach for the bottle, or the needle. 637 00:33:37,494 --> 00:33:39,294 Or if those don't work you jump of a bridge. 638 00:33:39,824 --> 00:33:41,414 That's why we call ourselves survivors. 639 00:33:41,454 --> 00:33:43,014 Have you read Jason Berry's book, 640 00:33:43,044 --> 00:33:45,234 he wrote about a Gauthe case in Louisiana. 641 00:33:45,264 --> 00:33:46,764 - That's G... - G-a-u-t-h-e. 642 00:33:47,094 --> 00:33:49,654 I talked to Richard Sipe, he worked in one of... 643 00:33:49,684 --> 00:33:51,284 the Church's treatment center. 644 00:33:51,334 --> 00:33:54,464 He is an ex-priest. Married a nun. 645 00:33:55,604 --> 00:33:58,694 Yeah. This is his testimony from the Cass case. 646 00:33:58,704 --> 00:34:00,614 Phil, what's a treatment center? 647 00:34:00,714 --> 00:34:02,484 It's where they send priests when they get caught... 648 00:34:02,554 --> 00:34:03,744 this is all right here in the box. 649 00:34:03,754 --> 00:34:05,804 I sent this all to you guys 5 years ago. 650 00:34:06,354 --> 00:34:09,144 To The Globe? Who did you send it to? 651 00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:12,314 I don't wanna say who, 652 00:34:12,354 --> 00:34:13,954 but they said that they weren't interested. 653 00:34:14,294 --> 00:34:17,004 - But Phil, We did run a couple stories on you, I saw them in the clips... 654 00:34:17,034 --> 00:34:20,134 Yeah, but to be completely frank it wasn't enough. 655 00:34:22,064 --> 00:34:24,114 You guys gotta understand. 656 00:34:24,464 --> 00:34:26,114 This is big. 657 00:34:26,134 --> 00:34:29,664 This is not just Boston, this is a whole country, it's a whole world. 658 00:34:30,214 --> 00:34:31,964 And it goes right up to the Vatican. 659 00:34:32,784 --> 00:34:35,584 - Do you have any proof ot that, Phil? - No, not yet. 660 00:34:35,604 --> 00:34:37,324 But think about it, there are so many of them. 661 00:34:37,364 --> 00:34:39,334 How else could they have hidden it for so long? 662 00:34:39,354 --> 00:34:40,984 - So many what? - Priests! 663 00:34:42,154 --> 00:34:46,674 Priests! I know 13 right here in Boston. 664 00:34:46,894 --> 00:34:50,264 You know 13 priest in Boston who have molested children? 665 00:34:50,454 --> 00:34:52,604 Yeah, why do you keep repeating everything I say? 666 00:34:53,234 --> 00:34:55,154 I just like to clarify things. 667 00:34:55,174 --> 00:34:57,154 Maybe you should've clarified it 5 years ago... 668 00:34:57,184 --> 00:34:59,104 when I sent you all of this stuff, 669 00:34:59,214 --> 00:35:01,104 It's all right here. 670 00:35:10,014 --> 00:35:13,094 - May I use your bathroom? - Yeah, sure Phil. 671 00:35:13,284 --> 00:35:14,394 Come on. 672 00:35:21,224 --> 00:35:23,554 Well... What do you think? 673 00:35:24,534 --> 00:35:27,204 - The guy's got an agenda, that's for sure. - You think? 674 00:35:27,224 --> 00:35:29,264 He's obviously been through a lot, but he's smart and... 675 00:35:29,294 --> 00:35:30,654 if he's right about thirteen priests... 676 00:35:30,674 --> 00:35:32,644 Yeah, and might be a big if with this guy. 677 00:35:32,684 --> 00:35:34,134 Do a background check on him. 678 00:35:34,214 --> 00:35:36,334 And follow up some of the other survivors of this group. 679 00:35:36,354 --> 00:35:38,164 I'll track down this ex-priest Sipe. 680 00:35:38,394 --> 00:35:41,044 Ok, but stay on Garabedian, that's more important. 681 00:35:41,444 --> 00:35:43,394 Garabedian, what a pain in the ass. 682 00:35:43,624 --> 00:35:45,584 You can be a pain in the ass, Mike. 683 00:35:58,834 --> 00:36:00,704 Mitchell, what a surprise. How are you? 684 00:36:00,864 --> 00:36:02,154 I'm fine Mr. Rezendes. 685 00:36:02,264 --> 00:36:04,054 Good, you know, I've never heard back from you... 686 00:36:04,144 --> 00:36:05,214 I left you a couple of messages. 687 00:36:05,234 --> 00:36:07,454 I know. I've been very busy, I don't have time for calls. 688 00:36:07,484 --> 00:36:09,334 Geez, I'm sure you don't. Listen, listen Mitch. 689 00:36:09,754 --> 00:36:11,384 Let me talk to the couple of victims. 690 00:36:11,654 --> 00:36:13,084 You can sit in on the interview... 691 00:36:13,114 --> 00:36:14,594 and if you're not happy, you can kill it. 692 00:36:14,624 --> 00:36:16,774 I spoke to my clients and they don't want to be in the press. 693 00:36:16,784 --> 00:36:17,584 I'm sorry. 694 00:36:17,614 --> 00:36:19,674 I get that, but I don't need to name their names. 695 00:36:20,324 --> 00:36:22,304 - I don't believe you Mr. Rezendes. - I'm sure you don't. 696 00:36:22,324 --> 00:36:25,134 - Listen Mitchell. - Mr. Rezendes, please... 697 00:36:25,164 --> 00:36:28,184 I'm not writing a profile here, I'm working on something bigger. 698 00:36:28,214 --> 00:36:29,894 Bigger? I don't know what that means. 699 00:36:30,364 --> 00:36:32,854 I'm not supposed to tell you this but I'm digging a run for Spotlight. 700 00:36:35,204 --> 00:36:36,064 Spotlight is on this? 701 00:36:36,104 --> 00:36:38,004 Yeah, we're looking into it but you gotta help me. 702 00:36:38,804 --> 00:36:41,324 You gotta let me talk to some of these victims, please. 703 00:36:44,674 --> 00:36:45,674 Please. 704 00:36:49,184 --> 00:36:52,474 - Come back tomorrow at 9:30 a.m. - Thank you. 705 00:37:06,034 --> 00:37:07,364 - Ms. Pfeiffer. - Joe. 706 00:37:07,394 --> 00:37:08,154 Hi. 707 00:37:08,184 --> 00:37:09,564 - Shit. - That's ok. 708 00:37:09,584 --> 00:37:11,944 - I'm sorry. Please sit. - No problem. Thank you. 709 00:37:12,374 --> 00:37:15,014 - Is this table ok? - This is perfect. 710 00:37:15,904 --> 00:37:19,614 I had a muffin while I was waiting, two actually. 711 00:37:20,414 --> 00:37:21,754 I eat when I'm nervous. 712 00:37:21,784 --> 00:37:23,094 I did that too actually. 713 00:37:23,814 --> 00:37:27,524 I hope I'm not late. Phil told me one o'clock. 714 00:37:27,554 --> 00:37:31,234 No, you're fine. I got here early. About an hour. 715 00:37:34,394 --> 00:37:37,324 Would you mind if I took some notes? Would that be alright? 716 00:37:42,704 --> 00:37:44,944 You don't mind if I take some notes, do you? 717 00:37:44,974 --> 00:37:46,494 You got to use my name? 718 00:37:46,524 --> 00:37:47,524 No. 719 00:37:48,674 --> 00:37:49,884 I'm not if you don't want me to, no. 720 00:37:50,164 --> 00:37:53,714 I just had a kid, he's only 1... 721 00:37:53,734 --> 00:37:55,954 but I'm not sure I want him to know about this. 722 00:37:56,274 --> 00:37:57,554 Sure, I get that. 723 00:37:57,584 --> 00:37:59,764 You can stop this interview at any time Patrick. 724 00:38:00,184 --> 00:38:01,274 - Alright? - Ok. 725 00:38:01,364 --> 00:38:02,374 Alright. 726 00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:07,874 - You go ahead with your notes. - Ok, so... 727 00:38:10,694 --> 00:38:13,324 Where did you live when it first happened? 728 00:38:13,354 --> 00:38:15,694 In the Projects, over in Hyde Park. 729 00:38:16,164 --> 00:38:20,134 - Over by the Stop & Shop? - Yeah, you know it? 730 00:38:20,704 --> 00:38:24,454 Yeah, I drove a cab for a few years. Opens early, bad coffee, right? 731 00:38:25,344 --> 00:38:26,664 Yeah, I guess. 732 00:38:28,684 --> 00:38:31,224 How old were you, when it happened? 733 00:38:31,264 --> 00:38:33,024 I was 12. 734 00:38:34,264 --> 00:38:36,024 Just after my dad killed himself. 735 00:38:36,754 --> 00:38:39,724 - Oh, geez. - He was a real piece of shit. 736 00:38:40,464 --> 00:38:42,764 And my mom she wasn't so stable either. 737 00:38:43,264 --> 00:38:45,024 - How do you mean? - I mean she was nuts. 738 00:38:45,194 --> 00:38:48,374 - She was schizophrenic. - Same shit. 739 00:38:51,074 --> 00:38:54,574 When did you first meet Geoghan? 740 00:38:54,614 --> 00:38:58,084 Well, my sister... she saw him over at the Dunkin' Donuts... 741 00:38:58,714 --> 00:39:01,724 tells him about my old man passing and he rushed right over. 742 00:39:01,944 --> 00:39:04,334 And there was this nun sister Barbara, and she ran this group... 743 00:39:04,354 --> 00:39:05,874 for kids from troubled families. 744 00:39:07,154 --> 00:39:10,144 - Where is that? - St. Ambrose in Dorchester. 745 00:39:10,174 --> 00:39:11,444 Ok. 746 00:39:12,324 --> 00:39:14,534 She's the one who introduced me to Father Shanley. 747 00:39:16,194 --> 00:39:20,414 He was a street priest, long hair, very hip. 748 00:39:21,804 --> 00:39:24,904 - He invited me to his apartment in Back Bay. - Where in Back Bay? 749 00:39:24,934 --> 00:39:28,094 - Beacon street. - Beacon, ok. 750 00:39:28,204 --> 00:39:29,544 Are you from here? 751 00:39:29,584 --> 00:39:33,054 No, I grew up in Ohio, but my mom is from Southie. 752 00:39:33,084 --> 00:39:36,164 So you get it. I've never even seen Back Bay. 753 00:39:38,014 --> 00:39:40,704 So, what happened on that first visit Joe? 754 00:39:41,684 --> 00:39:45,454 Well it was very nice at first. Very funny. Very casual. 755 00:39:46,864 --> 00:39:49,744 And I think he could tell I was gay. 756 00:39:49,784 --> 00:39:52,324 So he showed me this mobile he had, 757 00:39:52,384 --> 00:39:53,624 like over a baby's crib? 758 00:39:54,634 --> 00:39:56,484 But with different words, 759 00:39:56,634 --> 00:39:59,484 homosexual, transexual, bisexual... 760 00:39:59,744 --> 00:40:02,754 Ok. And did you know that you were gay at that time, Joe? 761 00:40:03,274 --> 00:40:06,674 Yes, but that wasn't information I'm sharing with anybody. 762 00:40:06,774 --> 00:40:07,964 Not in Dorchester. 763 00:40:09,414 --> 00:40:10,664 Ok. 764 00:40:10,914 --> 00:40:14,064 So, what happened afterhe showed you the mobile? 765 00:40:14,094 --> 00:40:15,554 Well, I was a little freaked out. 766 00:40:17,024 --> 00:40:18,474 I think he could tell... 767 00:40:19,524 --> 00:40:20,974 So he said, you know what will help... 768 00:40:20,994 --> 00:40:23,024 is if we play strip poker. 769 00:40:24,934 --> 00:40:26,474 Of course I lost. 770 00:40:28,104 --> 00:40:29,834 And things went on from there. 771 00:40:31,374 --> 00:40:33,384 Can you tell me specifically what happened? 772 00:40:35,074 --> 00:40:38,474 Specifically... He molested me. 773 00:40:42,384 --> 00:40:46,074 Joe, I think that the language is going to be so important here. 774 00:40:46,654 --> 00:40:49,854 We can't sanitize this, just saying 'molest' isn't enough. 775 00:40:50,094 --> 00:40:52,784 People need to know what actually happened. 776 00:40:55,864 --> 00:40:58,424 - We should probably get these to go. - Right. 777 00:40:58,494 --> 00:41:01,064 Geoghan shows up and my mom, you know she's... 778 00:41:02,164 --> 00:41:04,114 She's thrilled. And... 779 00:41:05,034 --> 00:41:07,054 this was like God showing up, you know? 780 00:41:07,084 --> 00:41:08,084 Sure, right. 781 00:41:08,474 --> 00:41:09,724 So what happened then? 782 00:41:13,074 --> 00:41:15,094 You really wanna hear this shit? 783 00:41:15,124 --> 00:41:16,414 Yeah, yeah Patrick, I do. 784 00:41:25,194 --> 00:41:26,964 He offers to take me to get icecream. 785 00:41:27,524 --> 00:41:30,104 He's a priest. I'm a kid so I go. 786 00:41:31,024 --> 00:41:31,864 Sure. 787 00:41:32,834 --> 00:41:34,964 So we're driving home, and he... 788 00:41:37,674 --> 00:41:39,284 He starts patting my leg. 789 00:41:41,504 --> 00:41:42,744 You know, then... 790 00:41:44,414 --> 00:41:48,034 His hand just slides right up and... 791 00:41:48,064 --> 00:41:50,804 he grabs my dick, alright? 792 00:41:51,414 --> 00:41:53,514 I just froze up, I was fuckin' petrified... 793 00:41:53,594 --> 00:41:54,784 I couldn't move. 794 00:41:56,084 --> 00:41:58,044 I didn't know what to do, I was just a little kid. 795 00:42:00,444 --> 00:42:01,584 Yeah. 796 00:42:06,394 --> 00:42:08,294 You know I never even touched my icecream. 797 00:42:09,004 --> 00:42:10,604 Just melted down my arm. 798 00:42:17,664 --> 00:42:19,054 Did you... hm? 799 00:42:20,194 --> 00:42:21,604 Did you see him again after that? 800 00:42:27,854 --> 00:42:29,054 Yeah. 801 00:42:32,394 --> 00:42:36,224 Alright, that's good, let's stop there for now. 802 00:42:36,254 --> 00:42:37,254 Sure. 803 00:42:37,494 --> 00:42:40,784 He said he was a way to make me more comfortable with my body. 804 00:42:42,164 --> 00:42:43,994 So, what happened after that? 805 00:42:44,474 --> 00:42:47,784 He took off his clothes and he said I've been so depressed, 806 00:42:47,904 --> 00:42:50,084 but maybe you can cheer me up and give a blowjob. 807 00:42:51,044 --> 00:42:52,334 Classic guy! 808 00:42:54,314 --> 00:42:56,034 - And did you? - Yeah. 809 00:42:57,514 --> 00:42:58,944 I know what you must be thinking, like... 810 00:42:58,974 --> 00:43:00,334 why would I ever do that? 811 00:43:00,824 --> 00:43:03,294 With some creepy guy who's 30 years older than me, but... 812 00:43:03,994 --> 00:43:06,714 But you have to understand this was the first time in my life 813 00:43:06,764 --> 00:43:08,974 that someone told me that it was okay to be gay. 814 00:43:09,464 --> 00:43:10,764 And it was a priest. 815 00:43:13,034 --> 00:43:14,294 So you had oral sex? 816 00:43:14,414 --> 00:43:16,254 Did you have intercourse? 817 00:43:17,174 --> 00:43:20,054 Yes, not then, but later. 818 00:43:22,574 --> 00:43:23,934 It really messed me up. 819 00:43:25,344 --> 00:43:28,344 I'm sober now, but that, that was the beginning of it all. 820 00:43:30,954 --> 00:43:32,684 It's very confusing, you know? 821 00:43:33,924 --> 00:43:36,094 To be introduced to sex like that and then, 822 00:43:36,924 --> 00:43:40,004 and then to be attracted to men. 823 00:43:43,024 --> 00:43:46,084 I'm sorry. I knew I was gonna do this. Oh I'm sorry. 824 00:43:46,134 --> 00:43:48,504 Don't be sorry. It's ok Joe, it's ok. 825 00:43:49,364 --> 00:43:51,004 Of course, there is a Church right there. 826 00:43:51,494 --> 00:43:52,494 And a playground. 827 00:43:53,844 --> 00:43:55,994 Joe, did you ever try and tell anyone? 828 00:43:56,214 --> 00:43:57,684 Like who, a priest? 829 00:43:59,944 --> 00:44:01,254 Can I use your phone? 830 00:44:01,944 --> 00:44:03,254 Yeah, sure, you know where it is. 831 00:44:04,354 --> 00:44:06,524 You can use my name if you want. 832 00:44:07,224 --> 00:44:08,274 Thanks, Patrick. 833 00:44:09,484 --> 00:44:11,834 Don't thank me, just get this assholes, will ya? 834 00:44:18,234 --> 00:44:19,764 He's one of the lucky ones. 835 00:44:21,164 --> 00:44:22,604 He is still alive. 836 00:44:31,444 --> 00:44:34,394 - Do you want a cup of tea, Sacha? - I'm ok nana. Thanks. 837 00:44:38,284 --> 00:44:39,964 - Hello? - Hi, Joe, it's Sacha Pfeiffer. 838 00:44:40,254 --> 00:44:42,294 - Hi Sacha, how are you? - I'm good, thanks. 839 00:44:43,494 --> 00:44:46,034 Listen, Joe, I just want a follow up on one thing. 840 00:44:46,794 --> 00:44:48,994 You talked to Phil Saviano about all of this, right? 841 00:44:49,064 --> 00:44:51,404 Yeah, I did, I went to a couple of SNAP meetings. 842 00:44:51,834 --> 00:44:54,634 And did Phil ever suggest you to do anything about it? 843 00:44:54,734 --> 00:44:57,164 No, the meetings weren't really about that. 844 00:44:57,194 --> 00:44:59,594 I mean, a couple of them had gone to a lawyer but. 845 00:44:59,604 --> 00:45:02,124 - I didn't think it was worth it. - Why not? 846 00:45:02,774 --> 00:45:05,414 There were just so many forms to fill out, it was overwhelming, you know. 847 00:45:05,874 --> 00:45:08,404 And he said he could only get me a small settlement, so... 848 00:45:08,484 --> 00:45:10,864 - Who said that? - The lawyer told me that. 849 00:45:11,784 --> 00:45:14,254 So, you did go and see a lawyer? 850 00:45:15,254 --> 00:45:17,644 Yeah, but I didn't end up using him, so... 851 00:45:17,794 --> 00:45:19,914 I didn't think it was important, I'm sorry. 852 00:45:20,024 --> 00:45:22,674 - I'm not trying to hide anything. - No, I know, Joe. 853 00:45:23,324 --> 00:45:25,274 Do you remember his name? The lawyer? 854 00:45:25,764 --> 00:45:28,174 No, but maybe Phil would know? 855 00:45:28,664 --> 00:45:30,864 The guy was on TV a lot during the Porter case. 856 00:45:31,204 --> 00:45:32,214 He was handsome. 857 00:45:32,904 --> 00:45:36,224 - Was it Eric Macleish? - Yeah, that's him. Macleish. 858 00:45:36,674 --> 00:45:38,254 I thought he was very handsome. 859 00:45:41,974 --> 00:45:43,464 - Hey. - Hey. 860 00:45:43,784 --> 00:45:44,774 I was just in a newsroom... 861 00:45:44,814 --> 00:45:46,914 Jugde Sweeney set a date for the hearing. 862 00:45:47,184 --> 00:45:49,984 - Really, when? - In two weeks, in Springfield. 863 00:45:50,394 --> 00:45:52,834 Canellos started a pool of 10 bucks to get in. 864 00:45:53,224 --> 00:45:54,364 Anyone picking The Globe? 865 00:45:54,874 --> 00:45:57,664 He's only taking best if how fast Sweeney rules against us. 866 00:45:59,464 --> 00:46:01,094 - Robby. - Hi, it's me. 867 00:46:01,164 --> 00:46:02,614 - Did you got my message? - I did. 868 00:46:02,704 --> 00:46:04,704 Looks like Father Shanley could be our fourth priest. 869 00:46:04,834 --> 00:46:06,154 Yeah, I think he is. 870 00:46:06,184 --> 00:46:08,154 Did you follow up on Macleish? 871 00:46:08,504 --> 00:46:10,024 I just talked with Phil, he said Macleish... 872 00:46:10,064 --> 00:46:11,554 dealt with a number of this cases. 873 00:46:11,674 --> 00:46:13,954 - I guess he forgot to mention that. - Yeah. 874 00:46:14,484 --> 00:46:16,164 I'm gonna go to the courthouse tomorrow, see if I can... 875 00:46:16,174 --> 00:46:18,204 find any cases he settled against the Church. 876 00:46:18,954 --> 00:46:20,344 Alright, call me after you do. 877 00:46:20,624 --> 00:46:22,394 - Good night. - Ok, good night. 878 00:46:25,494 --> 00:46:26,494 Hey. 879 00:46:27,124 --> 00:46:28,494 You wanted to chat? 880 00:46:28,524 --> 00:46:30,434 Yeah, I'm late for dinner, you wanna walk me out? 881 00:46:30,494 --> 00:46:31,494 Sure. 882 00:46:32,934 --> 00:46:35,184 Jesus, does this guy ever go home? 883 00:46:35,234 --> 00:46:36,084 Apparently not. 884 00:46:36,974 --> 00:46:38,354 I got guys who won't leave untill he does, 885 00:46:38,374 --> 00:46:40,154 he's wearing out the goddamn newsroom. 886 00:46:40,904 --> 00:46:42,084 Where are we on Geoghan? 887 00:46:42,604 --> 00:46:44,084 Following up with more victims. 888 00:46:44,844 --> 00:46:47,364 - Hey I want to expend the investigation. - Why? 889 00:46:47,584 --> 00:46:50,334 We got fourth priest, it might be as many as 13. 890 00:46:50,754 --> 00:46:51,974 - 13? - Yeah. 891 00:46:53,084 --> 00:46:55,024 - Who's your source? - Phil Saviano. 892 00:46:55,424 --> 00:46:57,244 Oh, Jesus Christ Robby, I told Mike... 893 00:46:57,254 --> 00:46:57,804 I know, I know. 894 00:46:57,824 --> 00:47:00,174 I know, I think Saviano might be legit, Ben. 895 00:47:01,694 --> 00:47:02,964 You want to elaborate on that? 896 00:47:03,194 --> 00:47:04,964 No, not really. 897 00:47:06,234 --> 00:47:09,004 It just feels like this thing is stacking up. He's my guy. 898 00:47:12,604 --> 00:47:15,144 - Ok. - Ok, good, thank you. 899 00:47:25,214 --> 00:47:26,214 Hello? 900 00:47:26,654 --> 00:47:29,494 - Mr. Rezendes? - Yeah, who is this? 901 00:47:29,884 --> 00:47:31,134 It's Richard Sipe. 902 00:47:31,704 --> 00:47:33,504 Oh, yeah, hey Richard, how are you? 903 00:47:33,564 --> 00:47:34,564 I'm good. 904 00:47:34,624 --> 00:47:35,914 Thanks for calling. 905 00:47:36,094 --> 00:47:38,714 Look... Phil Saviano gave me your name, 906 00:47:39,034 --> 00:47:41,194 I was wondering if I could ask you a few questions? 907 00:47:41,234 --> 00:47:42,664 - Of course, yeah. - Great. 908 00:47:43,134 --> 00:47:46,284 So, Phil told me that you were working at one of... 909 00:47:46,314 --> 00:47:48,474 The Church's treatment centers in Baltimore? 910 00:47:48,604 --> 00:47:51,654 Yes, the Seton Psychiatric Institute. 911 00:47:51,774 --> 00:47:53,474 It was run by the Daughters of Charity. 912 00:47:53,504 --> 00:47:54,544 And... 913 00:47:55,314 --> 00:47:56,394 When was that, Richard? 914 00:47:57,154 --> 00:48:01,054 Well, I started my psychotherapy fellowship there in 1965. 915 00:48:02,084 --> 00:48:04,764 And I was there for 5 years, then I spend the next 30... 916 00:48:05,094 --> 00:48:07,644 studying abusive priests and their victims. 917 00:48:07,674 --> 00:48:08,674 Really? 918 00:48:08,924 --> 00:48:11,144 And that's been your sole focus? 919 00:48:11,694 --> 00:48:14,464 Look Mike, the Church wants us to believe that... 920 00:48:14,504 --> 00:48:16,284 it's just a few bad apples. 921 00:48:16,314 --> 00:48:18,064 It's much bigger problem than that. 922 00:48:18,234 --> 00:48:19,424 How much bigger, Richard? 923 00:48:19,454 --> 00:48:21,624 Well, based on the research... 924 00:48:22,104 --> 00:48:25,434 I would classify it as a recognizable psychiatric phenomenon. 925 00:48:26,584 --> 00:48:27,654 That's big? 926 00:48:33,424 --> 00:48:34,784 - Hey, Mac. - Hey. 927 00:48:34,824 --> 00:48:37,054 If I wanted historical data on a priest, 928 00:48:37,074 --> 00:48:39,764 parishes he'd been assigned to, where would I find it? 929 00:48:40,054 --> 00:48:42,724 The Geoghan case? It's all in clips. Lisa has the source material. 930 00:48:43,024 --> 00:48:45,484 Yeah, what if it was for another priest? The one that hadn't been in the papers. 931 00:48:45,594 --> 00:48:47,914 - Looking at another priest? - Who're you looking at? 932 00:48:48,864 --> 00:48:49,654 Any ideas? 933 00:48:49,884 --> 00:48:51,934 Come on, Matt. You're not gonna tell me? 934 00:48:53,174 --> 00:48:54,464 I gotta get to a meeting. Thanks Mac. 935 00:48:54,554 --> 00:48:55,554 Hey, Steve. 936 00:48:57,514 --> 00:48:59,494 The Archdioceses puts out the annual directory. 937 00:48:59,514 --> 00:49:00,944 Every priest in parish. 938 00:49:00,984 --> 00:49:04,804 That's great. This go back any further than '98? 939 00:49:04,884 --> 00:49:06,614 Oh yeah. They go back to the 80's in the Mez. 940 00:49:06,644 --> 00:49:08,044 Beyond that, you gotta go to the BPL. 941 00:49:08,724 --> 00:49:10,784 - In the Mez. Thanks, Lisa. - Bye. 942 00:49:12,494 --> 00:49:14,214 He said they all target the same kinda kid. 943 00:49:14,824 --> 00:49:17,144 Low income families, absentee fathers... 944 00:49:17,174 --> 00:49:18,174 broken homes. 945 00:49:18,664 --> 00:49:21,794 For guy like Geoghan, goes after boys, not because he prefers them... 946 00:49:21,864 --> 00:49:24,524 but because they are more ashamed, less likely to talk. 947 00:49:26,274 --> 00:49:27,754 And these guys are predators, Robby. 948 00:49:28,204 --> 00:49:29,204 I talked to Sipe. 949 00:49:29,234 --> 00:49:31,694 Sipe says he saw dozens of them in the 60's at Seton. 950 00:49:33,684 --> 00:49:35,544 - Why didn't he go public? - He did. 951 00:49:35,684 --> 00:49:37,774 But the Church made a huge effort to discredit him. 952 00:49:37,954 --> 00:49:40,924 Smear campaigns. Public statements by prominent Bishops. 953 00:49:41,724 --> 00:49:44,424 It's just like Saviano said. And Garabedian. 954 00:49:44,494 --> 00:49:47,004 - You get anywhere with him? - More victims. 955 00:49:47,624 --> 00:49:48,664 More victims? 956 00:49:48,724 --> 00:49:50,084 You can't empty his pockets? 957 00:49:50,104 --> 00:49:51,464 I'll get him. I just need more time. 958 00:49:51,934 --> 00:49:54,744 - Come on, Mike, you gotta get him. - I'll get him, I'll get him. 959 00:49:58,334 --> 00:49:59,704 Jesus, what the hell is that smell? 960 00:49:59,774 --> 00:50:01,574 There's a dead rat in the corner. 961 00:50:02,344 --> 00:50:03,584 What have you got? 962 00:50:03,644 --> 00:50:04,564 Church directories. 963 00:50:04,644 --> 00:50:06,254 It's every priest in Massachusetts. 964 00:50:06,514 --> 00:50:08,784 - What parish they were assaigned to? - Is it official? 965 00:50:08,814 --> 00:50:10,234 Yeah, I figure it would help us track down some... 966 00:50:10,274 --> 00:50:12,014 of the priests that Saviano mentioned. 967 00:50:12,154 --> 00:50:13,474 Maybe find some more victims. 968 00:50:13,524 --> 00:50:14,844 Can we turn on some more light in here? 969 00:50:14,884 --> 00:50:16,784 I couldn't find the switch. Do you want to borrow my glasses? 970 00:50:16,854 --> 00:50:19,434 - No, I'm good, I'm good. - Look, look 1983. 971 00:50:19,924 --> 00:50:22,034 John Geoghan, St. Brendan Parish Dorchester. 972 00:50:22,594 --> 00:50:23,744 So, so we can find out... 973 00:50:23,784 --> 00:50:25,244 where any priest is at any given year? 974 00:50:25,264 --> 00:50:26,554 Yeah, I got him here. 975 00:50:29,264 --> 00:50:30,114 What? 976 00:50:30,134 --> 00:50:32,454 1980, the year Geoghan was pulled from JP. 977 00:50:32,474 --> 00:50:33,804 It says he's on sick leave. 978 00:50:33,874 --> 00:50:35,424 Come on, it really says that? 979 00:50:37,214 --> 00:50:39,644 Where is 1991? 980 00:50:39,974 --> 00:50:42,574 - Yeah, here. - Let's see this. 981 00:50:42,584 --> 00:50:45,964 Barrett, Barrett, Liam. I can't read this, look for Liam Barrett there. 982 00:50:46,554 --> 00:50:49,504 1991's the year they pulled him out of Charlestown. 983 00:50:51,654 --> 00:50:52,654 Barrett, Liam? 984 00:50:53,824 --> 00:50:54,824 Yeah. 985 00:50:55,094 --> 00:50:56,094 Sick leave. 986 00:50:56,934 --> 00:50:58,504 That's an official designation. 987 00:51:00,564 --> 00:51:01,884 Get this upstairs. 988 00:51:02,604 --> 00:51:03,604 And Matt, check... 989 00:51:03,644 --> 00:51:05,324 the priests Saviano gave us. Robby. 990 00:51:05,704 --> 00:51:07,194 - I'm at the Court House. - Yeah. 991 00:51:07,944 --> 00:51:09,094 Something's not right here. 992 00:51:09,134 --> 00:51:10,954 Nothing on Shanley either, Sacha. 993 00:51:10,984 --> 00:51:12,124 Ok, thanks. 994 00:51:12,834 --> 00:51:14,604 Yeah, we need to go talk to Macleish again. 995 00:51:14,634 --> 00:51:15,634 Really? Why? 996 00:51:15,984 --> 00:51:17,254 There's nothing here. 997 00:51:17,494 --> 00:51:19,254 There aren't any records... 998 00:51:24,394 --> 00:51:26,944 Thanks for waiting, so sorry guys. Stuck in a call. 999 00:51:26,994 --> 00:51:28,654 - Not a problem, how are you? - Good. 1000 00:51:28,694 --> 00:51:31,214 - Thanks for meeting us. - You bet. What's up guys? 1001 00:51:31,534 --> 00:51:34,624 Mr. Macleish, are you familiar with the priest named Paul Shinley? 1002 00:51:35,234 --> 00:51:36,654 Yes, I am familiar with him. 1003 00:51:38,774 --> 00:51:40,754 And have you settled cases against Father Shinley? 1004 00:51:41,904 --> 00:51:44,814 As I'm sure you can understand, I can't... 1005 00:51:44,844 --> 00:51:46,454 discuss that with you. 1006 00:51:46,914 --> 00:51:50,474 Yeah, how about Father Ronald Paquin? 1007 00:51:51,014 --> 00:51:53,554 Well, I can't discuss that with you either. Come on, guys. 1008 00:51:55,684 --> 00:51:58,354 We understand you've settled several cases against each of them. 1009 00:51:58,654 --> 00:52:01,314 Even if I'd been involved in those cases, 1010 00:52:01,364 --> 00:52:03,454 the settlements would be confidential. 1011 00:52:03,494 --> 00:52:06,134 And I can be disbarred for acknowledging their existence. 1012 00:52:06,964 --> 00:52:07,964 Ok? 1013 00:52:09,004 --> 00:52:11,094 Look, I told you guys, these are tough cases. 1014 00:52:12,634 --> 00:52:15,784 Most of these folks, they just want some acknowledgement... 1015 00:52:16,174 --> 00:52:17,624 of what happened. 1016 00:52:17,674 --> 00:52:19,544 We got them a sit-down with the bishop and 1017 00:52:19,554 --> 00:52:21,954 a little dough, and that's the best they can hope for. 1018 00:52:22,484 --> 00:52:26,464 Well, certainly the best the priest could hope for. 1019 00:52:27,624 --> 00:52:28,694 No, the Church promises to take... 1020 00:52:28,734 --> 00:52:30,294 the priest out of circulation. 1021 00:52:30,854 --> 00:52:32,384 And did you follow up on that? 1022 00:52:38,234 --> 00:52:40,634 - You guys need anything else? - Yes. 1023 00:52:41,064 --> 00:52:42,524 Why aren't there any records? 1024 00:52:42,724 --> 00:52:44,214 I was down at the Court House earlier, 1025 00:52:44,254 --> 00:52:46,534 there aren't any records of any of these settlements. 1026 00:52:49,344 --> 00:52:51,594 We dealt directly with the Church. 1027 00:52:52,914 --> 00:52:56,274 We'd draw up a demand letter and we'd send it to the chancery. 1028 00:52:57,654 --> 00:52:59,274 You never filed anything in Court? 1029 00:52:59,654 --> 00:53:02,414 - It's a private mediation. - So... 1030 00:53:02,684 --> 00:53:05,514 this is just you and the Archdiocese lawyers... 1031 00:53:06,744 --> 00:53:09,414 - In a room? - Correct. 1032 00:53:10,324 --> 00:53:11,324 Anyone else? 1033 00:53:11,834 --> 00:53:15,044 Occasionally the Church would bring in another defence attorney to help out. 1034 00:53:15,664 --> 00:53:18,314 - You know names? - No. 1035 00:53:19,174 --> 00:53:20,454 No I don't. 1036 00:53:21,404 --> 00:53:22,944 So this was all under the table. 1037 00:53:22,974 --> 00:53:24,534 There's no paper trail, at all. 1038 00:53:25,044 --> 00:53:26,354 The victim has to sign the confidentiality... 1039 00:53:26,364 --> 00:53:28,104 agreement to get the settlement. 1040 00:53:28,344 --> 00:53:29,934 The lawyer takes his third and... 1041 00:53:29,964 --> 00:53:31,174 the Church sweeps it under the rug. 1042 00:53:31,224 --> 00:53:32,304 Jesus, that's freaking racket. 1043 00:53:32,414 --> 00:53:33,824 It's more complicated than that. 1044 00:53:34,154 --> 00:53:35,804 Macleish has got the duty to client... 1045 00:53:35,804 --> 00:53:36,974 to get the best deal he can. 1046 00:53:37,194 --> 00:53:38,874 Sure, but how many victims... 1047 00:53:38,884 --> 00:53:41,454 do you represent and profit from, before you say someting? 1048 00:53:41,484 --> 00:53:42,934 Garabedian would say none. 1049 00:53:43,724 --> 00:53:45,714 And that's why he's taking these cases to Court. 1050 00:53:45,734 --> 00:53:47,304 Because he wants people to know about this. 1051 00:53:47,334 --> 00:53:48,334 I agree. 1052 00:53:48,534 --> 00:53:50,584 And legal ethics aside, Ben, I mean... 1053 00:53:50,874 --> 00:53:52,324 operating the way Macleish has, 1054 00:53:52,364 --> 00:53:54,584 all the guarantee is that abuse stays under wraps. 1055 00:53:55,774 --> 00:53:58,864 Yeah, did Macleish confirm all Saviano's priests? 1056 00:53:58,944 --> 00:54:00,294 No, he is... 1057 00:54:00,344 --> 00:54:03,384 limited by his confidentiality agreement. 1058 00:54:03,714 --> 00:54:06,084 But clearly he settles cases against a number of them. 1059 00:54:06,384 --> 00:54:08,704 Phil's put me in touch with some of the other victims, 1060 00:54:08,804 --> 00:54:11,154 I'm pretty confident all of his priests are going to check out. 1061 00:54:11,994 --> 00:54:14,344 - So there's 13 priests? - Yeah. 1062 00:54:14,364 --> 00:54:15,554 Looks that way. 1063 00:54:17,364 --> 00:54:18,404 Holy shit! 1064 00:54:21,264 --> 00:54:23,124 Ok, keep going. 1065 00:54:24,554 --> 00:54:26,314 CATHOLIC CHARITIES GALA Guest List 1066 00:54:26,574 --> 00:54:28,814 I'm sorry, what was the name again? 1067 00:54:30,074 --> 00:54:31,094 Baron. 1068 00:54:32,574 --> 00:54:34,814 B-A-L-U-N B-A-R-O-N. 1069 00:54:35,884 --> 00:54:38,804 I'm having trouble finding it, just give me a second. 1070 00:54:39,154 --> 00:54:40,914 It's ok Kim, I can vouch for him. 1071 00:54:41,554 --> 00:54:43,944 I'm Pete Conley, I'm on the Board of Catholic Charities. 1072 00:54:44,294 --> 00:54:46,094 Welcome to Boston, Mr. Baron. 1073 00:54:46,594 --> 00:54:48,294 - Thank you. - Appreciate you joining us. 1074 00:54:49,164 --> 00:54:51,644 We're very proud of the work we do here at Boston. 1075 00:54:52,564 --> 00:54:54,604 Oh, the Cardinal said you had a nice visit. 1076 00:54:55,234 --> 00:54:57,674 - Yes. We did. - He's an extraordinary man. 1077 00:54:58,234 --> 00:55:00,124 I'm glad you had a chance to chat. 1078 00:55:14,024 --> 00:55:15,294 Enjoying yourself? 1079 00:55:17,554 --> 00:55:20,524 To be honest, these events aren't really my strong suit. 1080 00:55:21,264 --> 00:55:23,424 - Yeah. - Are you involved with The Charity? 1081 00:55:23,824 --> 00:55:25,344 Not directly, no. 1082 00:55:25,394 --> 00:55:26,844 Some of my friends are, we all went to... 1083 00:55:27,054 --> 00:55:29,454 highschool, BC High, that's a... 1084 00:55:30,064 --> 00:55:31,784 school across the street from The Globe. 1085 00:55:31,814 --> 00:55:33,504 - It's hard to miss. - Yeah. 1086 00:55:34,474 --> 00:55:36,174 Hard to get away from too, apparently. 1087 00:55:39,014 --> 00:55:43,504 The Cardinal is in the corner, if you're so inclined. 1088 00:55:43,544 --> 00:55:45,334 - We've met. - Really? 1089 00:55:45,684 --> 00:55:47,374 Did he mentioned the suit? 1090 00:55:47,824 --> 00:55:50,534 No, but he did give me a copy of cathecism. 1091 00:55:51,454 --> 00:55:54,294 Yeah, well, the Cardinal is not known for his subtlety. 1092 00:55:54,724 --> 00:55:57,054 During the Porter investigation, he'd literally... 1093 00:55:57,134 --> 00:55:59,394 call down the power of God on the Globe. 1094 00:56:00,034 --> 00:56:01,424 How that got out? 1095 00:56:02,604 --> 00:56:05,464 A week later our editor broke his leg skiing. 1096 00:56:06,934 --> 00:56:08,634 Shrimp toast, gentlemen? 1097 00:56:09,004 --> 00:56:10,994 No, thanks. Thanks. 1098 00:56:12,474 --> 00:56:14,254 You said there was a victim who filed 1099 00:56:14,284 --> 00:56:15,564 a criminal complaint? 1100 00:56:16,184 --> 00:56:17,624 Yeah, there were a few of them. 1101 00:56:19,314 --> 00:56:20,764 But the Judge had the case reconciled... 1102 00:56:20,794 --> 00:56:23,194 after friends of the Church complained. 1103 00:56:23,524 --> 00:56:24,994 And the Church has a lot of friends. 1104 00:56:25,224 --> 00:56:26,244 Like Eric Macleish? 1105 00:56:27,964 --> 00:56:30,474 Yeah. Let's just say... 1106 00:56:31,234 --> 00:56:32,414 he is not part of the solution. 1107 00:56:32,464 --> 00:56:34,434 - You follow what I'm saying. - Sure. 1108 00:56:35,264 --> 00:56:36,534 You work hard Mr. Rezendes. 1109 00:56:36,604 --> 00:56:37,724 Are you married? 1110 00:56:38,884 --> 00:56:39,854 Yeah. 1111 00:56:39,874 --> 00:56:41,414 And your wife doesn't mind you working all the time? 1112 00:56:41,704 --> 00:56:42,784 Yeah, she does. 1113 00:56:45,214 --> 00:56:46,374 That's why I never got married. 1114 00:56:47,214 --> 00:56:48,304 To busy. 1115 00:56:48,784 --> 00:56:50,424 What I do is to important. 1116 00:56:54,824 --> 00:56:56,534 Your new editor, he's a Jew right? 1117 00:56:57,994 --> 00:56:59,904 - That's right, yeah. - Well, see... 1118 00:57:00,494 --> 00:57:01,844 He comes in, 1119 00:57:01,864 --> 00:57:03,794 and suddenly everybody is interested in the Church. 1120 00:57:03,864 --> 00:57:05,734 - You know why? - No. 1121 00:57:05,864 --> 00:57:07,734 Because it takes the outsider. 1122 00:57:08,104 --> 00:57:10,584 Like me. I'm Armenian. 1123 00:57:11,374 --> 00:57:13,304 How many Armenians do you know in Boston? 1124 00:57:14,444 --> 00:57:16,204 Steve Kurkjian, works at The Globe. 1125 00:57:16,904 --> 00:57:20,134 That's two. You should get a prize or something. 1126 00:57:20,984 --> 00:57:23,504 - What are you, Italian? - No, I'm Portugese. 1127 00:57:24,554 --> 00:57:27,134 - From where? - East Boston. 1128 00:57:28,624 --> 00:57:30,714 Really? East Boston? 1129 00:57:32,594 --> 00:57:33,894 You don't sound like it. 1130 00:57:40,364 --> 00:57:41,574 This city. 1131 00:57:42,264 --> 00:57:43,374 This people. 1132 00:57:44,934 --> 00:57:47,094 Making the rest of us feel like we don't belong. 1133 00:57:48,104 --> 00:57:49,424 But they're no better than us. 1134 00:57:50,004 --> 00:57:51,764 Look at how they treat their children. 1135 00:57:54,144 --> 00:57:56,094 Mark my words Mr. Rezendes, 1136 00:57:56,384 --> 00:57:58,144 if it takes a village to raise a child, 1137 00:57:58,454 --> 00:58:00,234 it takes a village to abuse one. 1138 00:58:04,824 --> 00:58:06,394 - Hey, there he is. - Hey. 1139 00:58:06,454 --> 00:58:08,014 - You want a beer? - Love one. 1140 00:58:08,694 --> 00:58:11,664 - Another. You with Barbara? - No, no. 1141 00:58:11,964 --> 00:58:14,414 - She hates this things. - Karen too. 1142 00:58:14,444 --> 00:58:15,634 - Yeah. - Smart ladies. 1143 00:58:20,034 --> 00:58:21,204 I met your new editor. 1144 00:58:22,444 --> 00:58:24,774 - Seems like a decent fella. - I think he is. 1145 00:58:27,714 --> 00:58:31,314 Hey, I had an interesting conversation with Eric MacLeish yesterday. 1146 00:58:31,924 --> 00:58:34,454 Turns out he's been settling abuse cases... 1147 00:58:34,464 --> 00:58:36,664 with the Archdioceses for years. 1148 00:58:37,264 --> 00:58:40,154 You want to talk about this here? 1149 00:58:40,524 --> 00:58:43,184 Jim, You said you helped out 1150 00:58:43,224 --> 00:58:45,784 on Father Barrett as a favor, 1151 00:58:46,404 --> 00:58:47,774 that was a one-off? 1152 00:58:51,374 --> 00:58:53,804 How many of these cases you've been involved with? 1153 00:58:54,944 --> 00:58:57,884 You know I can't answer that Robby, it's unethical. 1154 00:58:59,084 --> 00:59:00,304 Is that all it is? 1155 00:59:02,984 --> 00:59:05,494 So, this... 1156 00:59:05,984 --> 00:59:07,754 would be the Robby Robinson I've always 1157 00:59:07,764 --> 00:59:09,514 heard about, but never met. 1158 00:59:11,124 --> 00:59:12,414 Listen, Jimmy. 1159 00:59:13,464 --> 00:59:15,464 You want to be on the right side of this. 1160 00:59:17,734 --> 00:59:20,814 This is the Church, you're talking about Robby. 1161 00:59:20,824 --> 00:59:22,514 Look around, these are good people, 1162 00:59:22,544 --> 00:59:24,404 done a lot of good for this city. 1163 00:59:25,874 --> 00:59:27,224 Enjoy the party. 1164 00:59:36,384 --> 00:59:37,854 I've been through a lot these now. 1165 00:59:38,124 --> 00:59:40,074 "Sick leave" isn't the only designation... 1166 00:59:40,104 --> 00:59:41,214 they use when they take one... 1167 00:59:41,224 --> 00:59:42,354 of these priests out of the circulation. 1168 00:59:42,394 --> 00:59:44,734 They use slew of terms - 'absent on leave', 1169 00:59:45,024 --> 00:59:47,754 'unassigned', 'emergency response.' 1170 00:59:47,774 --> 00:59:50,054 - They work for everything, these guys. - Except rape. 1171 00:59:50,064 --> 00:59:51,554 And they move parishes... 1172 00:59:51,554 --> 00:59:53,314 way more frequently than other priests. 1173 00:59:53,334 --> 00:59:55,544 When I was a kid, priest moved after seven or eight years. 1174 00:59:55,574 --> 00:59:56,194 Sometimes longer. 1175 00:59:56,214 --> 00:59:58,234 These guys, it's 2 to 3 years tops. 1176 00:59:58,574 --> 00:59:59,744 And did they use this designations. 1177 00:59:59,784 --> 01:00:01,564 - For all Saviano's priests? - Yeah. 1178 01:00:01,914 --> 01:00:04,684 - It's pretty clear pattern. - Guys, I got Sipe. 1179 01:00:05,314 --> 01:00:08,394 I think that if you really want to understand the crisis... 1180 01:00:08,484 --> 01:00:11,004 you need to start with the celibacy requirement. 1181 01:00:11,054 --> 01:00:12,784 That was my first major finding. 1182 01:00:13,154 --> 01:00:15,764 Only 50% of the clergy are celibat. 1183 01:00:16,854 --> 01:00:19,704 Now, most of them are having sex with other adults. 1184 01:00:20,264 --> 01:00:22,194 But the fact remains that this creates... 1185 01:00:22,194 --> 01:00:24,964 a culture of secrecy that tolerates and even protects... 1186 01:00:24,994 --> 01:00:26,254 pedophiles. 1187 01:00:27,474 --> 01:00:29,074 So you believe the Church is aware... 1188 01:00:29,084 --> 01:00:31,334 Of the extent of this 'crisis'? 1189 01:00:31,344 --> 01:00:32,704 Well, absolutely. 1190 01:00:32,804 --> 01:00:34,764 After the first major scandal in Louisiana, 1191 01:00:34,774 --> 01:00:38,234 Tom Doyle, the Secretary Canonist for papal nuncio, 1192 01:00:38,264 --> 01:00:39,674 coauthored a report... 1193 01:00:39,704 --> 01:00:41,084 warning pedophile priests, 1194 01:00:41,124 --> 01:00:43,074 were billion-dollar liability. 1195 01:00:43,554 --> 01:00:44,804 That was in 1985. 1196 01:00:45,454 --> 01:00:47,344 - 1985? - That's right. 1197 01:00:48,294 --> 01:00:50,974 Who saw that report, anyone from the catholic hierarchy? 1198 01:00:51,194 --> 01:00:52,384 Sure. 1199 01:00:52,694 --> 01:00:54,364 Doyle tried to introduce the report... 1200 01:00:54,364 --> 01:00:56,494 at the National Conference of Catholic Bishops. 1201 01:00:56,534 --> 01:01:00,314 In fact, Cardinal Law initially helped to fund the report, 1202 01:01:00,604 --> 01:01:02,784 but then he backed out and they shelved it. 1203 01:01:03,004 --> 01:01:04,674 - Are you kidding me? - Oh, Richard. 1204 01:01:04,704 --> 01:01:06,314 Robby here. 1205 01:01:06,644 --> 01:01:09,454 We think we have 13 priests... 1206 01:01:09,474 --> 01:01:11,834 in Boston that fits this pattern, which... 1207 01:01:12,284 --> 01:01:15,004 would be a very, very big story. 1208 01:01:15,034 --> 01:01:16,804 Does that sound right to you? 1209 01:01:16,984 --> 01:01:18,964 In terms of scale? 1210 01:01:19,284 --> 01:01:20,654 No, not really, Robby. 1211 01:01:20,854 --> 01:01:22,274 Sounds low to me. 1212 01:01:22,924 --> 01:01:26,224 My estimate suggests six percent act out sexually with minors. 1213 01:01:27,124 --> 01:01:29,114 Six percent of what? 1214 01:01:29,734 --> 01:01:31,414 Six percent of all priests. 1215 01:01:32,034 --> 01:01:33,784 How many priest do we have in Boston? 1216 01:01:34,064 --> 01:01:37,114 About fifteen hundred. One percent is fifteen... six percent is... 1217 01:01:38,344 --> 01:01:39,344 ninety. 1218 01:01:40,654 --> 01:01:44,334 - 90 priests. - Is that possible? 1219 01:01:44,684 --> 01:01:46,524 From a metric standpoint. 1220 01:01:46,984 --> 01:01:51,084 Yes. That would be in line with my findings. 1221 01:01:57,094 --> 01:01:58,094 Hello? 1222 01:02:00,794 --> 01:02:02,944 90 fucking priests? In Boston? 1223 01:02:03,534 --> 01:02:04,574 That's what he said. 1224 01:02:05,934 --> 01:02:08,414 If there were 90 of these bastards, people would know. 1225 01:02:08,574 --> 01:02:09,284 Maybe they do. 1226 01:02:09,574 --> 01:02:11,284 And no one said a thing? 1227 01:02:12,104 --> 01:02:13,424 Good Germans. 1228 01:02:14,274 --> 01:02:16,594 I don't think that's a comparison you want to make publicly. 1229 01:02:16,874 --> 01:02:18,214 Macleish knew. 1230 01:02:18,544 --> 01:02:21,144 - He just didn't say anything. - That's 13 priests. 1231 01:02:21,414 --> 01:02:23,634 There's a big difference between 13 and 90... 1232 01:02:23,654 --> 01:02:25,344 Where's this Sipe guy getting his numbers? 1233 01:02:25,364 --> 01:02:27,374 Well, he's been studying it for 30 years... 1234 01:02:27,404 --> 01:02:29,224 He is a trained psychotherapist. 1235 01:02:29,254 --> 01:02:31,614 Ok, but we need something more than a metric from some... 1236 01:02:31,644 --> 01:02:34,264 some hippy ex-priest who's shacking up with a nun. 1237 01:02:34,304 --> 01:02:36,884 Ok so, we'll track down more victims. 1238 01:02:36,894 --> 01:02:38,154 We'll get more priests, then... 1239 01:02:38,174 --> 01:02:40,314 then we could, we could check them against the directories. 1240 01:02:40,344 --> 01:02:42,854 - That's a shitload of victims. - We'll get there. 1241 01:02:43,574 --> 01:02:44,824 How long is it going to take? 1242 01:02:46,044 --> 01:02:47,214 Too long. 1243 01:02:48,874 --> 01:02:51,644 - Wait, what, the meeting is over? - Yeah, for now. 1244 01:02:53,944 --> 01:02:56,424 - What do you got? - What if we work backwards? 1245 01:02:56,954 --> 01:02:58,074 What do you mean? From what? 1246 01:02:58,154 --> 01:02:59,074 From the directories. 1247 01:02:59,084 --> 01:03:01,004 We've been using them to confirm bad priests. 1248 01:03:01,034 --> 01:03:02,584 What if we do it the other way around. 1249 01:03:02,604 --> 01:03:04,144 Use the directories to identify bad priests? 1250 01:03:04,234 --> 01:03:05,034 Yeah, exactly. 1251 01:03:05,164 --> 01:03:06,594 We search by designation. 1252 01:03:06,604 --> 01:03:08,084 You know, we look for any priest... 1253 01:03:08,124 --> 01:03:09,534 on a sick leave or unassigned. 1254 01:03:09,554 --> 01:03:10,334 Or for priests who moved around a lot... 1255 01:03:10,554 --> 01:03:11,334 Yeah. 1256 01:03:11,564 --> 01:03:12,844 Which can take a load of work. 1257 01:03:13,044 --> 01:03:14,854 Well, not if we're all on it. 1258 01:03:15,234 --> 01:03:16,234 You too? 1259 01:03:16,354 --> 01:03:18,614 Generally, that's what all means, yeah. 1260 01:03:18,634 --> 01:03:19,784 Yeah, generally. 1261 01:03:21,914 --> 01:03:22,914 Sick Leave. 1262 01:03:27,914 --> 01:03:29,264 Unassigned. 1263 01:03:50,934 --> 01:03:52,154 Unassigned. 1264 01:03:53,754 --> 01:03:54,994 Active. 1265 01:04:13,394 --> 01:04:15,374 Library is closing! 1266 01:04:18,064 --> 01:04:19,954 Library is closing! 1267 01:04:26,644 --> 01:04:28,784 O 'Sullivan, Eugene M. Treatment Center. 1268 01:04:29,444 --> 01:04:30,604 Oh shit! 1269 01:05:18,324 --> 01:05:19,784 No freaking way. 1270 01:05:24,004 --> 01:05:26,654 KIDS. Stay away from this house at 276 Pelton Street. 1271 01:05:26,754 --> 01:05:28,824 And stay away from the men who live inside it. 1272 01:05:29,054 --> 01:05:30,094 - Talbot? - Yeah. 1273 01:05:30,374 --> 01:05:31,374 - Tivnan? - Yeah. 1274 01:05:31,744 --> 01:05:32,744 - Toma? - Yeah. 1275 01:05:32,874 --> 01:05:33,874 - Turnbull? - Yeah. 1276 01:05:34,344 --> 01:05:35,654 - Walsh? - Yeah. 1277 01:05:35,674 --> 01:05:36,894 - Welsh? - Yeah. 1278 01:05:37,174 --> 01:05:38,334 - Is that it? - That's it. 1279 01:05:38,514 --> 01:05:40,044 Holy shit! Robby? 1280 01:05:40,114 --> 01:05:42,144 That's three off Sipe's estimate. That's incredible. 1281 01:05:42,174 --> 01:05:43,174 Robby! 1282 01:05:43,584 --> 01:05:45,164 - How many? - 87. 1283 01:05:45,184 --> 01:05:46,804 87 priests in Boston. 1284 01:05:49,594 --> 01:05:52,034 Call Macleish. I want to talk to him. 1285 01:05:52,054 --> 01:05:52,434 - Ok. 1286 01:05:53,324 --> 01:05:55,234 Can you print it? 1287 01:05:55,324 --> 01:05:56,234 Sure I can. 1288 01:05:58,764 --> 01:06:00,194 Jim Sullivan's office. 1289 01:06:00,234 --> 01:06:02,574 Yeah, Walter Robinson for Jim Sullivan. 1290 01:06:02,604 --> 01:06:04,434 Tell him it's important, please. 1291 01:06:04,464 --> 01:06:05,594 One moment please. 1292 01:06:10,744 --> 01:06:12,164 Hey, Robby, everything ok? 1293 01:06:12,194 --> 01:06:14,264 I need you to tell me something, Jim. 1294 01:06:14,584 --> 01:06:17,474 - Could it be 90 priests? - What? 1295 01:06:17,494 --> 01:06:19,744 Could it be as high as 90? 1296 01:06:19,774 --> 01:06:20,934 Jesus, Robby! 1297 01:06:21,154 --> 01:06:22,374 I need to know, Jim. 1298 01:06:22,414 --> 01:06:24,644 I wouldn't be asking if it wasn't important. 1299 01:06:26,764 --> 01:06:28,304 You're gonna stop this, Robby. 1300 01:06:36,704 --> 01:06:38,384 Robby, Macleish's assistant... 1301 01:06:38,384 --> 01:06:40,254 said he's all booked up, he can't see us. 1302 01:06:40,704 --> 01:06:42,864 Yeah, well, the hell he can't. 1303 01:06:48,354 --> 01:06:49,784 Alright, it'll be fine. 1304 01:06:54,224 --> 01:06:56,604 - You know what, I'll catch up with you, okay? - Ok. 1305 01:06:57,394 --> 01:07:00,314 Hey guys, I'm really sorry, I am, I don't have any... 1306 01:07:00,324 --> 01:07:01,244 time to talk right now but... 1307 01:07:01,274 --> 01:07:02,344 - Mr. Macleish. - If you call my assistant. 1308 01:07:02,364 --> 01:07:03,334 We have reasons to believe that there are... 1309 01:07:03,374 --> 01:07:05,964 allegations against as many as 87 priests in Boston. 1310 01:07:06,964 --> 01:07:08,484 I can't talk to you about that. 1311 01:07:08,774 --> 01:07:10,144 Does that number sound right to you? 1312 01:07:10,174 --> 01:07:11,154 You gotta be kidding me, I just told you... 1313 01:07:11,194 --> 01:07:12,554 I don't have time for this crap. 1314 01:07:12,574 --> 01:07:14,814 Eric, how many priests did you settle? 1315 01:07:16,114 --> 01:07:17,704 Robby, you know I can't tell you that. 1316 01:07:17,884 --> 01:07:18,974 You're going to give me their names... 1317 01:07:19,184 --> 01:07:20,674 and the names of their victims. 1318 01:07:22,954 --> 01:07:24,234 Are you threatening me? 1319 01:07:24,954 --> 01:07:26,234 We've got two stories here. 1320 01:07:26,424 --> 01:07:28,464 We got a story about degenerate clergy. 1321 01:07:28,594 --> 01:07:30,664 And we got a story about a bunch of lawyers... 1322 01:07:30,694 --> 01:07:33,304 turning child abuse into a cottage industry. 1323 01:07:33,624 --> 01:07:35,934 Now, which story do you want us to write? 1324 01:07:35,964 --> 01:07:37,874 Cause we're writing one of them. 1325 01:07:41,374 --> 01:07:43,954 I already sent you a list of names. 1326 01:07:45,274 --> 01:07:46,924 What are you talking about? To whom? 1327 01:07:47,304 --> 01:07:49,464 The Globe, years ago. 1328 01:07:49,974 --> 01:07:52,114 After the Porter case I got plenty of calls. 1329 01:07:52,114 --> 01:07:53,264 I had 20 priests... 1330 01:07:53,284 --> 01:07:54,414 in Boston alone. 1331 01:07:54,414 --> 01:07:56,414 But I couldn't go after them without the press. 1332 01:07:56,444 --> 01:07:58,234 So I sent you guys... 1333 01:07:58,254 --> 01:08:00,864 a list of names and you buried it. 1334 01:08:03,154 --> 01:08:04,374 I want those names tomorrow. 1335 01:08:04,374 --> 01:08:06,374 Check you goddamn clips, Robby. 1336 01:08:08,964 --> 01:08:12,454 - We didn't find anything in the clips. - Yeah, big surprise. 1337 01:08:14,034 --> 01:08:15,564 Richard. 1338 01:08:16,174 --> 01:08:17,764 Do you still go to mass? 1339 01:08:18,104 --> 01:08:20,534 No, I haven't been to Church for some time now. 1340 01:08:20,744 --> 01:08:22,754 But I still consider myself a catholic. 1341 01:08:23,314 --> 01:08:24,604 How does that work? 1342 01:08:25,214 --> 01:08:27,564 Well, the Church is an institution, Mike, 1343 01:08:27,964 --> 01:08:29,064 made of men. 1344 01:08:29,454 --> 01:08:32,974 It's passing. My faith is in the eternal. 1345 01:08:33,854 --> 01:08:35,284 I try to separate the two. 1346 01:08:36,054 --> 01:08:37,284 Sounds tricky. 1347 01:08:37,694 --> 01:08:39,234 It is. Especially... 1348 01:08:39,234 --> 01:08:41,454 since the Church continues to go after me. 1349 01:08:41,834 --> 01:08:43,484 It takes the toll, Mike. 1350 01:08:44,264 --> 01:08:45,964 They'll try to silence anyone who speaks out. 1351 01:08:46,004 --> 01:08:48,444 And I'm sure they'll come after you and your team soon enough. 1352 01:08:48,504 --> 01:08:50,744 Really? And how do you think they'll do that? 1353 01:08:54,644 --> 01:08:57,174 Hello? Richard? 1354 01:09:03,954 --> 01:09:06,934 - Who is it? - It's the Archbishop of Canterbury. 1355 01:09:10,994 --> 01:09:13,104 I had dinner at Santarpio's, had some leftovers. 1356 01:09:13,134 --> 01:09:14,354 You're the freaking best. 1357 01:09:15,094 --> 01:09:16,744 Thanks. You want a beer? 1358 01:09:17,134 --> 01:09:19,114 - Yeah. - You got it. 1359 01:09:19,704 --> 01:09:22,104 Jesus. How much longer... 1360 01:09:22,124 --> 01:09:23,294 you're gonna be in this shithole?? 1361 01:09:23,314 --> 01:09:24,834 Yeah, I'm working on it. 1362 01:09:25,804 --> 01:09:28,124 - She's a good girl, Mike. - Yeah, she is. 1363 01:09:28,614 --> 01:09:31,814 We'll figure it out. I haven't had a lot of time lately. 1364 01:09:32,814 --> 01:09:34,774 I just got off the phone with Sipe, actually. 1365 01:09:35,454 --> 01:09:37,174 Have you met this guy in person yet? 1366 01:09:37,654 --> 01:09:40,264 No, but his knowledge on this is on a whole other level. 1367 01:09:41,054 --> 01:09:42,134 I'm freaking starving. 1368 01:09:43,454 --> 01:09:46,104 So, where are we with the 90? 1369 01:09:46,994 --> 01:09:48,904 - I'm close. - How close? 1370 01:09:49,394 --> 01:09:50,174 I'm close. 1371 01:09:50,214 --> 01:09:51,844 Just answer the question, will ya? 1372 01:09:55,274 --> 01:09:56,744 We got 87 names. 1373 01:09:57,604 --> 01:09:59,684 We're trying to get confirmation, I think we will. 1374 01:10:02,244 --> 01:10:03,624 Something bugging you? 1375 01:10:04,374 --> 01:10:06,074 It's just surprise, that's all. 1376 01:10:06,914 --> 01:10:09,004 Yeah, yeah it is. 1377 01:10:09,654 --> 01:10:10,654 For everybody. 1378 01:10:15,794 --> 01:10:18,434 Hey, Ben, I forgot to ask you. 1379 01:10:18,864 --> 01:10:20,934 Hey Phil Saviano said he sent a bunch of... 1380 01:10:20,944 --> 01:10:23,604 info over to The Globe a years ago, do you have an idea to whom? 1381 01:10:24,064 --> 01:10:26,994 - No, why? - Well, I'm just curious. 1382 01:10:27,004 --> 01:10:28,914 I wanted to see if there were any leads you guys didn't run out. 1383 01:10:29,404 --> 01:10:31,144 Saviano was a fucking train wreck... 1384 01:10:31,144 --> 01:10:32,894 5 years ago, but wedidn't miss anything. 1385 01:10:33,144 --> 01:10:34,764 This story needs Spotlight. 1386 01:10:36,224 --> 01:10:38,274 Yeah, I agree. I'm just following up. 1387 01:10:41,184 --> 01:10:42,974 - Good night. - Yeah, good night. 1388 01:10:47,754 --> 01:10:48,874 This is unbelievable. 1389 01:10:49,104 --> 01:10:50,474 When did you get this? 1390 01:10:50,494 --> 01:10:52,324 Macleish emailed the list this morning. 1391 01:10:52,594 --> 01:10:55,004 He settled cases against 45 priests. 1392 01:10:55,904 --> 01:10:57,194 Where are we on Law? 1393 01:10:57,484 --> 01:10:59,714 Anything that shows the acknowledge of this. 1394 01:10:59,764 --> 01:11:02,404 - Still working Garabedian. - But nothing concrete. 1395 01:11:02,574 --> 01:11:05,044 I keep thinking about that conversation we had the other night, 1396 01:11:05,044 --> 01:11:07,274 about how Law called down the power of God. 1397 01:11:07,294 --> 01:11:09,644 When we reported the Porter. 1398 01:11:10,074 --> 01:11:11,554 That's just Law being Law. 1399 01:11:11,744 --> 01:11:13,884 Ok, but I checked the clips... 1400 01:11:13,914 --> 01:11:16,174 And Porter isn't even... 1401 01:11:16,204 --> 01:11:18,334 in Boston Archdiocese, he's from Fall River. 1402 01:11:18,374 --> 01:11:19,374 So... 1403 01:11:20,124 --> 01:11:22,164 Why the extreme reaction? 1404 01:11:23,494 --> 01:11:27,434 Law had to know. That's why he had the reaction. 1405 01:11:27,724 --> 01:11:29,254 He knew there were others. 1406 01:11:32,614 --> 01:11:34,454 I think that's the bigger story. 1407 01:11:36,014 --> 01:11:37,524 Bigger than 50 priests? 1408 01:11:38,274 --> 01:11:40,384 If it came from the top down? Yes. 1409 01:11:41,104 --> 01:11:44,154 But the numbers clearly indicate that there were senior clergy involved. 1410 01:11:44,174 --> 01:11:45,404 That's all they do "indicate". 1411 01:11:45,404 --> 01:11:46,454 Are you telling me that... 1412 01:11:46,454 --> 01:11:49,234 that if we run a story about 50 pedophile priests in Boston. 1413 01:11:49,254 --> 01:11:50,104 Mike. 1414 01:11:50,254 --> 01:11:53,004 We'll get into the same cat fight you got into on Porter, 1415 01:11:53,014 --> 01:11:54,384 Which made a lot of noise, 1416 01:11:54,424 --> 01:11:56,354 but changed things not one bit. 1417 01:11:59,764 --> 01:12:01,624 We need to focus on the institution. 1418 01:12:01,664 --> 01:12:03,294 Not the individual priests. 1419 01:12:03,694 --> 01:12:05,534 Practice and policy. 1420 01:12:05,604 --> 01:12:07,584 Show me the Church manipulate the system... 1421 01:12:07,594 --> 01:12:09,274 so this guy wouldn't have to face charges. 1422 01:12:09,304 --> 01:12:11,144 Show me they put those same priests... 1423 01:12:11,204 --> 01:12:13,634 back into parishes time and time again. 1424 01:12:13,654 --> 01:12:16,914 Show me this was systemic that it came from the top down. 1425 01:12:19,194 --> 01:12:20,844 Sound like we're going after Law. 1426 01:12:25,224 --> 01:12:26,914 We're going after the system. 1427 01:12:30,124 --> 01:12:31,464 Make the list of all the victims... 1428 01:12:31,484 --> 01:12:33,014 we have, start reaching out. 1429 01:12:33,134 --> 01:12:35,284 - And bring Matt in if you need help. - Ok. 1430 01:12:35,304 --> 01:12:37,664 - Hey when do you go to Springfield? - Hearing's on monday. 1431 01:12:37,834 --> 01:12:38,834 Ok. 1432 01:12:39,214 --> 01:12:40,684 Hey, Robby, you got a second? 1433 01:12:41,174 --> 01:12:42,234 Yeah. 1434 01:12:43,404 --> 01:12:46,844 I, I got one of those treatment centers a block from my house. 1435 01:12:49,374 --> 01:12:50,654 We got neighbours with kids. 1436 01:12:50,844 --> 01:12:53,354 I know that the work we do is confidential but, 1437 01:12:53,474 --> 01:12:54,644 I'm feeling like... 1438 01:12:55,594 --> 01:12:56,794 I should tell 'em. 1439 01:13:01,054 --> 01:13:02,614 We'll tell 'em soon. 1440 01:13:02,984 --> 01:13:04,614 Are you sure? 1441 01:13:05,794 --> 01:13:07,294 - Yeah. - Ok. 1442 01:13:10,504 --> 01:13:12,824 Hi there, I'm Sacha Pfeiffer, with The Boston Globe. 1443 01:13:13,014 --> 01:13:15,664 It's just looking for the gentleman by the name of Matthew Walsh? 1444 01:13:17,584 --> 01:13:18,584 No, he's not. 1445 01:13:23,304 --> 01:13:24,814 Okay, okay. 1446 01:13:31,494 --> 01:13:32,754 - Hi - Hi. 1447 01:13:32,834 --> 01:13:34,364 I'm Sacha Pfeiffer from The Boston Globe. 1448 01:13:34,404 --> 01:13:35,124 Yeah, what do you want? 1449 01:13:35,404 --> 01:13:37,254 I'd like to speak with Thomas Kennedy? 1450 01:13:37,294 --> 01:13:38,294 He doesn't live here any more. 1451 01:13:38,574 --> 01:13:39,814 Do you know where he lives? 1452 01:13:40,334 --> 01:13:41,814 Sir, I'd just like to ask a few... 1453 01:13:43,694 --> 01:13:45,434 Sacha Pfeiffer, Boston Globe. 1454 01:13:45,474 --> 01:13:47,184 - Oh, yeah, hi. - Hi. Thank you. 1455 01:13:48,884 --> 01:13:52,004 - Anything else you can recall? - No. 1456 01:13:52,034 --> 01:13:53,884 No, but I got a cousin in Queens... 1457 01:13:53,914 --> 01:13:55,734 she said saw him in the streets a few years later. 1458 01:13:56,484 --> 01:13:58,124 The bishop came over to house. 1459 01:13:58,394 --> 01:14:00,114 He said nothing like this ever happened before... 1460 01:14:00,154 --> 01:14:01,684 and he asked us not to press charges. 1461 01:14:01,964 --> 01:14:03,154 And what did your mother do? 1462 01:14:03,784 --> 01:14:04,894 My mother? 1463 01:14:06,484 --> 01:14:08,324 She put out freakin cookies. 1464 01:14:12,574 --> 01:14:14,894 There was a lot of pressure to keep quiet. 1465 01:14:14,924 --> 01:14:15,694 From the Church? 1466 01:14:15,844 --> 01:14:19,284 Yeah, from the Church. But not just the Church. 1467 01:14:20,214 --> 01:14:21,804 From my friends. 1468 01:14:22,684 --> 01:14:24,294 From the other parishoners. 1469 01:14:24,314 --> 01:14:27,074 Well, many of the priest I treated were... 1470 01:14:27,144 --> 01:14:28,544 psychosexually stunted. 1471 01:14:28,784 --> 01:14:31,424 On the emotional level of the 12 or 13 year old. 1472 01:14:31,454 --> 01:14:32,324 Jesus. 1473 01:14:32,454 --> 01:14:34,724 Sure the chief knew. Everybody knew. 1474 01:14:34,744 --> 01:14:36,564 But nobody wants to come for priest. 1475 01:14:38,024 --> 01:14:39,474 And what about the prosecutor? 1476 01:14:40,434 --> 01:14:42,194 I shouldn't talk about this shit. 1477 01:14:42,224 --> 01:14:43,604 I think you should, actually. 1478 01:14:44,264 --> 01:14:47,644 Do you know Father Hurley or Father Gale? 1479 01:14:47,674 --> 01:14:48,404 I do. 1480 01:14:48,444 --> 01:14:49,684 Just get your shit out of here, alright? 1481 01:14:49,724 --> 01:14:50,684 I'm sorry about it. 1482 01:14:50,774 --> 01:14:52,074 You leave me alone, you leave my brother alone... 1483 01:14:52,104 --> 01:14:53,104 you hear me goddammit? 1484 01:15:01,784 --> 01:15:04,284 Hi there. I'm looking for Ronald Paquin. 1485 01:15:04,314 --> 01:15:05,314 Yes? 1486 01:15:06,184 --> 01:15:08,644 - You're Father Paquin? - Yes, that's right. 1487 01:15:09,724 --> 01:15:12,134 I'm Sacha Pfeiffer from The Boston Globe. 1488 01:15:12,164 --> 01:15:12,994 Ok. 1489 01:15:13,094 --> 01:15:14,574 Could I ask you a few questions? 1490 01:15:14,604 --> 01:15:15,604 Go ahead, dear. 1491 01:15:16,734 --> 01:15:18,684 We spoke to several men who knew you when they were boys... 1492 01:15:18,684 --> 01:15:20,544 at St. John the Baptist in Haverhill. 1493 01:15:23,044 --> 01:15:25,074 They told us you molested them, is that true? 1494 01:15:27,244 --> 01:15:28,534 Sure, I fooled around. 1495 01:15:28,664 --> 01:15:31,664 But I never felt gratified myself. 1496 01:15:32,784 --> 01:15:37,014 Right, but you admit to molesting the boys at St. John the Baptist? 1497 01:15:37,824 --> 01:15:42,094 Yes, yes, but as I said, I never got any pleasure from them. 1498 01:15:42,524 --> 01:15:44,054 That's important to understand. 1499 01:15:44,724 --> 01:15:47,454 Right, but... 1500 01:15:47,494 --> 01:15:50,414 Can you tell me where and how you fooled around with these boys? 1501 01:15:52,374 --> 01:15:55,554 I want to be clear, I never raped anybody. 1502 01:15:56,544 --> 01:15:58,894 There's a difference. I should know. 1503 01:15:59,414 --> 01:16:01,884 - How would you know? - I was raped. 1504 01:16:04,484 --> 01:16:06,614 I'm sorry, who raped you? 1505 01:16:06,634 --> 01:16:08,004 Ronny? Who are you talking too? 1506 01:16:08,024 --> 01:16:09,644 - It's ok, Jane. - Father, who raped you? 1507 01:16:09,674 --> 01:16:10,674 Who are you? 1508 01:16:11,024 --> 01:16:14,324 - Sacha Pfeiffer, from The Globe. - Please, get off my porch. 1509 01:16:14,344 --> 01:16:16,514 - Get inside the house, Ronald. 1510 01:16:16,794 --> 01:16:18,544 - Get inside Ronald! - I'm sorry. 1511 01:16:18,594 --> 01:16:20,584 - I'm sorry, who are you? - I'm his sister. 1512 01:16:20,934 --> 01:16:23,004 - And I don't want you coming back here. - Miss Paquin? 1513 01:16:32,614 --> 01:16:34,574 No, you won't, I beat you last time... 1514 01:16:34,744 --> 01:16:35,814 Cause you cheated... 1515 01:16:43,524 --> 01:16:47,614 Could you please clarify The Globe's position for me, Mr. Albano? 1516 01:16:47,644 --> 01:16:48,804 Yes, Judge Sweeney. 1517 01:16:53,294 --> 01:16:56,114 Our argument to make this documents public rest... 1518 01:16:56,134 --> 01:16:58,614 mainly on First Amendment grounds. 1519 01:16:58,734 --> 01:17:01,144 We also have a number of other relevant arguments. 1520 01:17:01,334 --> 01:17:03,994 After all, Your Honor, this was discretionary audit. 1521 01:17:04,074 --> 01:17:06,744 Yes, it was made the Judges discretionary. 1522 01:17:06,774 --> 01:17:07,774 Hey Mike! 1523 01:17:08,914 --> 01:17:09,914 Hey, Joe. 1524 01:17:10,284 --> 01:17:12,664 What's the Spotlight reporter doing in Springfield? 1525 01:17:15,014 --> 01:17:17,294 Your boy Albano is sledding uphill. 1526 01:17:17,584 --> 01:17:19,434 Actually thinking he has a shot of winning this thing? 1527 01:17:19,624 --> 01:17:21,224 You want me to comment for The Herald? 1528 01:17:23,594 --> 01:17:26,304 Globe reporter would not comment. 1529 01:17:26,934 --> 01:17:29,414 But he did not seem hopeful. 1530 01:17:30,804 --> 01:17:32,604 He didn't try to hide it at all. 1531 01:17:32,734 --> 01:17:35,944 He had this really odd rationalization for it, 1532 01:17:35,964 --> 01:17:38,434 like it was totally normal to fool around with little boys. 1533 01:17:39,314 --> 01:17:41,754 I'd really like to go back, I think he'd talk to us. 1534 01:17:42,384 --> 01:17:43,684 Oh, we will. 1535 01:17:44,384 --> 01:17:45,694 Just not yet. 1536 01:17:45,784 --> 01:17:48,694 I want you to stay focused on the victims right now. 1537 01:17:48,714 --> 01:17:50,694 Sacha, where did they send Father Talbot again? 1538 01:17:51,024 --> 01:17:54,624 - I think it was Cheverus? - Cheverus, that's right. 1539 01:17:54,654 --> 01:17:57,574 Wait, Father Talbot? From BC High? 1540 01:17:57,724 --> 01:17:59,154 Yeah, you know him? 1541 01:17:59,314 --> 01:18:01,254 Yeah, he was there when I was. 1542 01:18:02,364 --> 01:18:03,914 - We have a victim? - Yeah. 1543 01:18:04,734 --> 01:18:05,904 Lives in Providence. 1544 01:18:09,274 --> 01:18:11,494 There's nothing personal within this documents, Your Honor. 1545 01:18:12,274 --> 01:18:14,054 They concern how the Cardinal is handling... 1546 01:18:14,094 --> 01:18:15,544 Say the "Archdiocese". 1547 01:18:16,514 --> 01:18:17,514 Excuse me? 1548 01:18:18,144 --> 01:18:21,024 You don't get to tag the Cardinal with everything, Mr. Albano. 1549 01:18:21,114 --> 01:18:22,934 Say, the Archdiocese. 1550 01:18:23,524 --> 01:18:25,584 Judge Sweeney, The Globe is not a party to this case. 1551 01:18:25,614 --> 01:18:26,924 They just want to sell the papers. 1552 01:18:27,024 --> 01:18:28,984 If Mr. Garabedian hadn't... 1553 01:18:29,024 --> 01:18:30,774 smeared the Cardinal's good name... 1554 01:18:30,864 --> 01:18:32,614 - We wouldn't even be here. - Your Honor, 1555 01:18:32,634 --> 01:18:34,714 I object to the use of the word "smear". 1556 01:18:34,994 --> 01:18:37,574 - Duly noted, Mr. Garabedian. - Thank you, Your Honor. 1557 01:18:37,764 --> 01:18:39,884 - Anything else, Mr. Rogers? - No, Your Honor. 1558 01:18:39,974 --> 01:18:41,794 Sr. Albano, you may continue. 1559 01:18:42,174 --> 01:18:43,594 The Globe believe having... 1560 01:18:45,674 --> 01:18:46,884 Hey, Mitch, how you doing? 1561 01:18:48,174 --> 01:18:49,174 I'm fine. 1562 01:18:49,844 --> 01:18:51,564 He's tough that Wilson Rogers. 1563 01:18:52,614 --> 01:18:53,814 He's smug. 1564 01:18:54,454 --> 01:18:57,134 - He's sloppy. - Doesn't seem sloppy. 1565 01:18:58,284 --> 01:19:00,224 You don't know the half of it. Trust me. 1566 01:19:01,294 --> 01:19:02,534 What's the half of it? 1567 01:19:05,264 --> 01:19:06,604 Tell me the half of it, Mitch? 1568 01:19:08,604 --> 01:19:10,364 - Of the record. - Of the record, yeah. 1569 01:19:14,334 --> 01:19:16,294 3 years ago I get the call from an ex-priest. 1570 01:19:16,844 --> 01:19:18,194 Anthony Benzevich. 1571 01:19:18,224 --> 01:19:20,364 He was at Blessed Sacrament back in '62... 1572 01:19:20,374 --> 01:19:21,754 and he saw Geoghan... 1573 01:19:24,014 --> 01:19:26,684 taking little boys up to the rectory bedroom, ok? 1574 01:19:26,704 --> 01:19:27,804 So he was appalled, 1575 01:19:30,354 --> 01:19:32,104 And the bishop threatens to reassign him. 1576 01:19:32,554 --> 01:19:34,924 - To South America. - Jesus. 1577 01:19:34,954 --> 01:19:37,244 Yeah. Alright, so fast-forward 35 years. 1578 01:19:37,264 --> 01:19:39,324 Benzevich reads that Geoghan has been charged... 1579 01:19:39,324 --> 01:19:41,334 with molesting hundreds of kids. 1580 01:19:41,354 --> 01:19:43,424 So he feels guilty and he calls me. 1581 01:19:43,564 --> 01:19:45,634 So you have a testimony of a priest... 1582 01:19:45,674 --> 01:19:48,074 telling his superiors about Geoghan in '62? 1583 01:19:48,574 --> 01:19:49,874 No, I do not. 1584 01:19:50,174 --> 01:19:52,474 Because when I call Benzevich in to give a deposition... 1585 01:19:52,874 --> 01:19:54,334 He comes in with the lawyer. 1586 01:19:55,014 --> 01:19:56,464 - Wilson Rogers? - Right. 1587 01:19:57,014 --> 01:19:59,674 And suddenly, Father Benzevich has a foggy memory. 1588 01:19:59,754 --> 01:20:01,744 Can't remember anything. He's useless. 1589 01:20:01,884 --> 01:20:04,424 So, I go back to work. I forget about it, whatever. 1590 01:20:05,054 --> 01:20:07,934 Until about a year ago, I find an article about a priest... 1591 01:20:08,154 --> 01:20:10,424 who warned Church officials about Geoghan. 1592 01:20:10,664 --> 01:20:12,544 - Benzevich went to the press? - Yeah. 1593 01:20:12,794 --> 01:20:14,654 Yeah, local paper Patriot Ledger, 1594 01:20:14,664 --> 01:20:17,244 nobody saw it, but now I got Benzevich on record. 1595 01:20:17,304 --> 01:20:19,144 So, I file a motion to depose... 1596 01:20:19,154 --> 01:20:20,534 Benzevich the second time. 1597 01:20:21,074 --> 01:20:24,334 Alright? And Wilson Rogers, that smug son of a bitch, 1598 01:20:24,474 --> 01:20:27,144 he files a motion opposing my motion. 1599 01:20:27,614 --> 01:20:29,414 And that's when I have him. 1600 01:20:30,684 --> 01:20:31,794 Have, have him how? 1601 01:20:31,984 --> 01:20:33,764 Rogers opposes my motion. 1602 01:20:34,084 --> 01:20:36,384 So I have to make an argument as to why am I allowed to... 1603 01:20:36,384 --> 01:20:38,984 depose Father Benzevich the second time, ok? 1604 01:20:38,994 --> 01:20:41,254 But this time I'm allowed to attach exhibits. 1605 01:20:41,874 --> 01:20:42,914 You follow what I'm saying? 1606 01:20:43,274 --> 01:20:44,714 The sealed documents? 1607 01:20:44,744 --> 01:20:46,564 Yes. I can attach the sealed documents... 1608 01:20:46,694 --> 01:20:49,284 that I've gotten in discovery, Mr. Rezendes. 1609 01:20:49,304 --> 01:20:52,724 The same documents that your paper is currently suing for. 1610 01:20:53,274 --> 01:20:54,624 You're shitting me? 1611 01:20:54,774 --> 01:20:56,624 What? No, no, I'm not shitting you. 1612 01:20:56,654 --> 01:20:59,644 So, I pull out the 14 most damning docs... 1613 01:20:59,684 --> 01:21:00,944 and I attach them to my motion. 1614 01:21:01,084 --> 01:21:02,644 And they prove everything. Everything. 1615 01:21:02,944 --> 01:21:05,394 About the Church, about the bishops, about Law. 1616 01:21:05,484 --> 01:21:06,604 And it's all public... 1617 01:21:07,324 --> 01:21:08,304 Because your motion... 1618 01:21:08,344 --> 01:21:09,944 to oppose Rogers motion is public. 1619 01:21:10,384 --> 01:21:13,244 Is public, yeah. Exactly. Now you're paying attention. 1620 01:21:13,594 --> 01:21:15,724 And so I could just walk in to that courthouse right now... 1621 01:21:15,764 --> 01:21:16,824 and get those documents? 1622 01:21:16,864 --> 01:21:18,234 No, you can not. 1623 01:21:18,664 --> 01:21:20,434 Because the documents are not there. 1624 01:21:20,764 --> 01:21:22,054 But you just said they're public. 1625 01:21:22,184 --> 01:21:25,364 I know I did. But this is Boston. 1626 01:21:25,404 --> 01:21:28,304 And the Church does not want them to be found, 1627 01:21:28,464 --> 01:21:30,504 so, they are not there. 1628 01:21:32,774 --> 01:21:35,094 Mitch, are you telling me that the Catholic Church... 1629 01:21:35,124 --> 01:21:37,494 removed legal documents from that courthouse? 1630 01:21:37,654 --> 01:21:40,884 Look, I'm not crazy, I'm not paranoid, 1631 01:21:41,284 --> 01:21:42,434 I'm experienced. 1632 01:21:42,584 --> 01:21:44,434 Check the docket, you'll see. 1633 01:21:45,694 --> 01:21:47,004 They control everything. 1634 01:21:50,024 --> 01:21:51,024 Everything. 1635 01:21:53,194 --> 01:21:54,294 I got to go back. 1636 01:21:58,434 --> 01:22:00,934 I got to get the fucking documents! 1637 01:22:15,784 --> 01:22:18,364 Docket entry number 49, with the Geoghan case. 1638 01:22:18,484 --> 01:22:19,364 Ok, thanks. 1639 01:22:19,384 --> 01:22:22,074 - We're closing in 10 minutes. - 10 minutes? Alright. 1640 01:22:51,404 --> 01:22:53,964 Rev. James F. Talbot. 1641 01:22:59,034 --> 01:23:00,764 - Robby. - Hey, it's me. 1642 01:23:01,094 --> 01:23:02,354 - Hey. - You're not gonna believe it. 1643 01:23:02,604 --> 01:23:04,004 Garabedian gave me a tip. 1644 01:23:04,194 --> 01:23:06,634 Some of the sealed docs are already public. 1645 01:23:06,654 --> 01:23:08,044 They're part of the motion he filed. 1646 01:23:08,074 --> 01:23:10,174 He said they're the best of a bunch, we don't have to... 1647 01:23:10,204 --> 01:23:11,544 wait for Sweeney's ruling. 1648 01:23:11,584 --> 01:23:12,734 So, we can get them? 1649 01:23:12,744 --> 01:23:14,254 Yeah, but they are not there. 1650 01:23:14,264 --> 01:23:15,254 I already talked to Albano, 1651 01:23:15,274 --> 01:23:16,744 he said all we have to do is... 1652 01:23:16,814 --> 01:23:17,974 file a motion and Sweeney will... 1653 01:23:18,014 --> 01:23:20,154 order Mitch to refile the docs. 1654 01:23:20,284 --> 01:23:21,734 And you think this documents are...? 1655 01:23:21,764 --> 01:23:23,794 He said this 14 docs are all we need. 1656 01:23:23,824 --> 01:23:24,934 They are huge. 1657 01:23:25,094 --> 01:23:28,994 Ok. I'll call Ben. Good work. 1658 01:23:54,484 --> 01:23:55,444 What happened? 1659 01:23:56,114 --> 01:23:58,044 They are saying it's a prop plane. 1660 01:23:58,224 --> 01:23:59,574 But that's not a prop plane. 1661 01:24:03,794 --> 01:24:04,754 Tell Linda to get every... 1662 01:24:04,754 --> 01:24:06,514 reporter we have in here now. 1663 01:24:08,134 --> 01:24:12,214 You pray for the victims, you pray for the injured... 1664 01:24:13,254 --> 01:24:15,484 and you pray for those who survived. 1665 01:24:16,874 --> 01:24:19,754 You pray too for the nation. 1666 01:24:21,014 --> 01:24:23,084 That our response to this... 1667 01:24:23,534 --> 01:24:27,684 might reflect the best ideals of our nation. 1668 01:24:28,314 --> 01:24:31,224 And even more reflect God's own teaching. 1669 01:24:31,624 --> 01:24:35,824 Not only as it's shown in Christianity and Judaism... 1670 01:24:35,994 --> 01:24:38,234 but in Islam as well. 1671 01:24:38,494 --> 01:24:40,844 - Not bad. Who's there? - Paulson. 1672 01:24:40,874 --> 01:24:42,564 I want to talk to him when he's back. 1673 01:24:42,854 --> 01:24:45,064 Did Rezendes find a way to get to Florida yet? 1674 01:24:45,094 --> 01:24:46,914 They just opened the airport in Providence, 1675 01:24:46,954 --> 01:24:48,164 he's on his way there now. 1676 01:24:48,174 --> 01:24:49,684 Ben, I'm gonna need more people on Massport. 1677 01:24:50,174 --> 01:24:51,684 I'll give you three of my guys. 1678 01:24:51,704 --> 01:24:53,814 Robby, put your team on that too. Got it. 1679 01:24:53,914 --> 01:24:56,524 - And Robby, everything else stops. - Understood. 1680 01:24:56,784 --> 01:24:59,124 - Why is Mike going to Florida? - Flight school. 1681 01:24:59,134 --> 01:25:00,344 That's where they learned to fly. 1682 01:25:00,984 --> 01:25:02,134 Robby, I've got... 1683 01:25:02,174 --> 01:25:04,004 a lot of victims introduce set up this week. 1684 01:25:04,024 --> 01:25:05,284 We got to cancel them. 1685 01:25:05,334 --> 01:25:06,484 That's gonna be hard. 1686 01:25:06,504 --> 01:25:07,144 I know. 1687 01:25:07,174 --> 01:25:08,414 This is nuts. Two days ago... 1688 01:25:08,424 --> 01:25:09,634 I told my wife we gotta be working... 1689 01:25:09,644 --> 01:25:10,934 on biggest story on the planet. 1690 01:25:10,954 --> 01:25:14,444 - Boston Globe. - Boston Globe, one moment please. 1691 01:25:14,484 --> 01:25:16,354 - Yes if you have a tip, I... - Boston Globe... 1692 01:25:19,104 --> 01:25:19,944 Mitchell Garabedian. 1693 01:25:19,974 --> 01:25:21,724 Mitch, it's Mike. I've been trying to reach you. 1694 01:25:21,764 --> 01:25:23,544 I don't have time to talk to you, Mr. Rezendes. 1695 01:25:23,574 --> 01:25:26,144 Hey just quickly. Did you refile those docs yet? 1696 01:25:26,184 --> 01:25:27,354 No, I just got the order. 1697 01:25:27,394 --> 01:25:28,284 It takes time. 1698 01:25:28,394 --> 01:25:29,524 Ok, great. Can you hold off... 1699 01:25:30,434 --> 01:25:31,244 I have to go to Florida... 1700 01:25:31,284 --> 01:25:33,154 Once you refile, they're public. 1701 01:25:33,194 --> 01:25:34,984 Other newspaper will be able to get a hold of them. 1702 01:25:35,014 --> 01:25:37,424 "Other newspapers are not my concern. 1703 01:25:37,484 --> 01:25:39,104 I received the judicial order. 1704 01:25:39,484 --> 01:25:41,104 I told you the Church is watching me. 1705 01:25:41,124 --> 01:25:42,414 Hey Mitch, please. 1706 01:25:42,444 --> 01:25:44,084 All I need is a few more weeks. 1707 01:25:45,324 --> 01:25:47,244 I can't make any promises. Goodbye. 1708 01:25:47,324 --> 01:25:49,774 Mitch! Mitch! Shit! 1709 01:25:51,764 --> 01:25:52,764 Shit. 1710 01:26:01,714 --> 01:26:03,114 Look, I get it. 1711 01:26:03,164 --> 01:26:05,314 No one wants to read about kids getting raped by priests. 1712 01:26:05,514 --> 01:26:06,874 Especially now, but you asked... 1713 01:26:06,894 --> 01:26:08,094 a lot of people to relive... 1714 01:26:08,104 --> 01:26:10,094 some very painful experiences... 1715 01:26:10,114 --> 01:26:12,434 Phil you know why we were taking off of this story... 1716 01:26:12,454 --> 01:26:14,174 It's been six weeks since 9/11. 1717 01:26:14,194 --> 01:26:16,474 I realize that, and we're gonna get back to it. 1718 01:26:16,494 --> 01:26:17,494 When? 1719 01:26:19,024 --> 01:26:21,284 You're doing the same thing you guys did the last time. 1720 01:26:21,294 --> 01:26:21,784 No. 1721 01:26:21,804 --> 01:26:22,974 - You're dropping us. - No. 1722 01:26:23,004 --> 01:26:24,764 Maybe I should tell The Herald that story. 1723 01:26:25,674 --> 01:26:27,824 Ok, Phil. You go ahead and do that. 1724 01:26:28,414 --> 01:26:30,524 It'll undo all the work we've done. 1725 01:26:30,554 --> 01:26:31,824 But I can't stop you. 1726 01:26:33,724 --> 01:26:35,124 Listen to me. 1727 01:26:35,524 --> 01:26:37,514 I am here because I care. 1728 01:26:39,484 --> 01:26:40,954 We're not going away. 1729 01:26:41,604 --> 01:26:43,764 We're gonna tell this story, we're gonna tell it right. 1730 01:26:43,794 --> 01:26:45,284 We just need a little more time. 1731 01:26:45,324 --> 01:26:46,814 That's all we're asking for. 1732 01:26:49,424 --> 01:26:51,074 Why bother asking? 1733 01:26:52,474 --> 01:26:54,164 You're gonna do what you want anyway. 1734 01:26:55,594 --> 01:26:56,764 You always do. 1735 01:26:57,784 --> 01:27:00,524 Phil... Phil! 1736 01:27:06,874 --> 01:27:07,714 Hey. 1737 01:27:07,874 --> 01:27:09,114 How's South Beach? 1738 01:27:09,364 --> 01:27:10,404 It's Boynton Beach. 1739 01:27:10,734 --> 01:27:12,404 Remarkably different place. 1740 01:27:12,484 --> 01:27:13,444 What's up? 1741 01:27:13,764 --> 01:27:15,684 Mitch Garabedian called me today. 1742 01:27:16,074 --> 01:27:17,224 Why did he call you? 1743 01:27:17,244 --> 01:27:18,524 Because he knew you'd yell at him. 1744 01:27:18,764 --> 01:27:20,324 He refiled the docs. 1745 01:27:20,344 --> 01:27:21,494 What? 1746 01:27:21,744 --> 01:27:23,494 Robby, those docs are public now. 1747 01:27:23,514 --> 01:27:24,974 We got to get there before everybody else does. 1748 01:27:24,984 --> 01:27:26,124 I know, I know, I know. 1749 01:27:26,714 --> 01:27:28,124 Just wrap up whatever you're doing... 1750 01:27:28,154 --> 01:27:29,594 and get the first flight out. 1751 01:27:29,624 --> 01:27:31,714 I'll book the flight now and go straigth to the courthouse tomorrow. 1752 01:27:31,734 --> 01:27:33,664 - Alright, call me when you get in. - Ok. 1753 01:27:35,774 --> 01:27:38,754 Robby, I'll go to a Phil Saviano now that we're back on it. 1754 01:27:38,904 --> 01:27:40,154 Good idea. 1755 01:27:40,904 --> 01:27:42,154 Go and have dinner with Hansi. 1756 01:27:42,174 --> 01:27:43,844 Might be the last time for a while. 1757 01:27:49,554 --> 01:27:50,824 - Robby. - Yeah? 1758 01:27:50,854 --> 01:27:53,574 After we saw Macleish, I started going back through the clips... 1759 01:27:53,754 --> 01:27:56,664 and I had a little time last week finally, so... 1760 01:27:58,294 --> 01:27:59,434 I found that. 1761 01:28:00,294 --> 01:28:01,534 It's from'93. 1762 01:28:03,654 --> 01:28:05,304 Lawyer for Porter victims says... 1763 01:28:05,314 --> 01:28:07,114 20 other priests in area are accused. 1764 01:28:12,274 --> 01:28:13,274 Is that it? 1765 01:28:15,474 --> 01:28:17,054 Yeah, yeah... That's it. 1766 01:28:19,954 --> 01:28:23,494 - Good night. - Ok. Good night. 1767 01:29:03,564 --> 01:29:05,694 So I was probably a few years after you, right? 1768 01:29:05,704 --> 01:29:08,804 No, you were more than a few. Believe me. 1769 01:29:09,764 --> 01:29:12,654 After the BC High, I came down to Providence... 1770 01:29:12,884 --> 01:29:14,494 I played hockey for the Friars. 1771 01:29:15,104 --> 01:29:17,634 Oh well, you must've been pretty good. 1772 01:29:17,734 --> 01:29:19,894 No, rode the bench in college. Yeah. 1773 01:29:20,314 --> 01:29:21,404 But I love the city. 1774 01:29:22,364 --> 01:29:24,284 And we just had our third kid. 1775 01:29:24,514 --> 01:29:26,554 And I still get my Globe, for the record. 1776 01:29:26,644 --> 01:29:28,824 That's good to know, good to know. 1777 01:29:29,624 --> 01:29:30,874 Look, Kevin... 1778 01:29:32,264 --> 01:29:33,674 It's actually why I'm here. 1779 01:29:35,194 --> 01:29:36,264 I... 1780 01:29:36,594 --> 01:29:39,164 Need to ask you some questions about Father Talbot. 1781 01:29:46,674 --> 01:29:47,844 How'd you find out? 1782 01:29:48,974 --> 01:29:50,244 Well... 1783 01:29:51,704 --> 01:29:53,134 I guess it doesn't matter. 1784 01:29:58,984 --> 01:30:01,574 I never even told my wife. 1785 01:30:03,724 --> 01:30:04,724 Excuse me! 1786 01:30:09,864 --> 01:30:11,854 Hey, hey, I need to get in there! 1787 01:30:11,864 --> 01:30:12,644 We're closed. 1788 01:30:12,704 --> 01:30:13,954 Come on, let me in, five minutes. 1789 01:30:13,984 --> 01:30:14,944 I'm sorry, we're closed. 1790 01:30:14,974 --> 01:30:16,354 Come on, 5 minutes. 1791 01:30:16,644 --> 01:30:17,644 Fuck! 1792 01:30:31,714 --> 01:30:32,804 Here you go. 1793 01:30:36,554 --> 01:30:38,124 - This is the Geoghan case? - That's right. 1794 01:30:38,984 --> 01:30:40,414 Those records are sealed. 1795 01:30:40,484 --> 01:30:42,014 No. That's a public motion. 1796 01:30:42,034 --> 01:30:43,424 Those record are public. 1797 01:30:43,634 --> 01:30:44,824 Look, I work for The Globe. 1798 01:30:45,824 --> 01:30:46,824 Good for you. 1799 01:30:48,894 --> 01:30:50,124 Can I talk to your supervisor? 1800 01:30:50,134 --> 01:30:51,314 He's not in today. 1801 01:30:52,504 --> 01:30:53,474 What about a Judge? 1802 01:30:53,494 --> 01:30:55,864 There must be Judges that work on this kind of thing. 1803 01:30:56,744 --> 01:30:57,744 Sixth floor. 1804 01:31:04,284 --> 01:31:06,124 We understand the nature... 1805 01:31:06,294 --> 01:31:07,844 of the allegations against Father Talbot. 1806 01:31:08,414 --> 01:31:11,274 I'm just not sure what you want from President Kemeza. 1807 01:31:12,254 --> 01:31:14,594 Talbot taught here long before Bill took over. 1808 01:31:14,754 --> 01:31:15,694 Of course. 1809 01:31:15,854 --> 01:31:17,994 We just want to know if that's possible... 1810 01:31:18,034 --> 01:31:20,144 that the President, the Faculty, the Board... 1811 01:31:20,294 --> 01:31:22,054 that no one knew what was going on at the time. 1812 01:31:22,194 --> 01:31:24,334 I graduated in 1979 and... 1813 01:31:24,594 --> 01:31:26,334 I had no idea about any of this, so... 1814 01:31:26,634 --> 01:31:28,164 If you're suggesting that Father Gibbons... 1815 01:31:28,184 --> 01:31:30,104 and Father Callahan had in anyway... 1816 01:31:30,124 --> 01:31:34,044 Gibbons and Callahan ran this place like the navy, 1817 01:31:34,974 --> 01:31:36,404 You really think they didn't know? 1818 01:31:37,644 --> 01:31:39,334 It's a big school, Robby. You know that. 1819 01:31:40,154 --> 01:31:42,334 And we're talking about seven... 1820 01:31:42,334 --> 01:31:44,444 alleged victims over what, eight years? 1821 01:31:44,464 --> 01:31:47,844 We're talking about... Seven that we know about.. 1822 01:31:48,034 --> 01:31:49,524 This is ridiculous! 1823 01:31:50,164 --> 01:31:53,024 - You're reaching for the story here... - Jack. Jack, Jack. 1824 01:31:53,834 --> 01:31:56,794 If I had been President then, I would have known. 1825 01:31:57,464 --> 01:31:59,624 Bill, I'm not sure that's relevant. 1826 01:31:59,654 --> 01:32:02,354 Why do you think they sent Talbot up to Cheverus? 1827 01:32:02,644 --> 01:32:04,704 You know, they wanted him out of town. 1828 01:32:06,714 --> 01:32:07,554 Robby... 1829 01:32:07,774 --> 01:32:09,904 As well intentioned this Bill's remarks are, 1830 01:32:09,904 --> 01:32:11,824 I'm hoping we can keep this between us... 1831 01:32:11,824 --> 01:32:14,104 until we all get on the same page. 1832 01:32:17,354 --> 01:32:19,684 Is that why we are here? To get on the same page? 1833 01:32:19,724 --> 01:32:22,174 No. We're here because you're an important alumnus Robby... 1834 01:32:22,214 --> 01:32:23,034 and a friend. 1835 01:32:23,064 --> 01:32:25,074 Exactly. And we know... 1836 01:32:25,114 --> 01:32:27,094 you care about the school as much as we do. 1837 01:32:29,064 --> 01:32:31,194 Did you play your sport here, Jack? 1838 01:32:31,234 --> 01:32:33,014 Yeah, football. Why? 1839 01:32:33,534 --> 01:32:34,924 I ran track. 1840 01:32:35,134 --> 01:32:37,324 You know, I went to Providence yesterday... 1841 01:32:37,344 --> 01:32:39,504 talked to one of Father Talbot victims. 1842 01:32:39,534 --> 01:32:42,294 He played hockey here... And... 1843 01:32:42,334 --> 01:32:43,604 He was one of the better ones... 1844 01:32:43,624 --> 01:32:45,514 He's got wife, kids... 1845 01:32:45,714 --> 01:32:47,494 good job. 1846 01:32:47,714 --> 01:32:50,494 About 10 minutes into the conversation... 1847 01:32:51,934 --> 01:32:53,284 guy breaks down. 1848 01:32:53,894 --> 01:32:55,414 You know, couldn't stop crying. 1849 01:32:57,074 --> 01:32:58,774 Said he could never figure out why... 1850 01:32:58,804 --> 01:33:00,554 Father Talbot picked him. 1851 01:33:02,864 --> 01:33:05,214 Father Talbot coached the hockey team. 1852 01:33:07,374 --> 01:33:08,404 So... 1853 01:33:09,974 --> 01:33:11,794 I guess we just got lucky. 1854 01:33:12,774 --> 01:33:13,794 You and me. 1855 01:33:20,584 --> 01:33:21,874 Does Jack Dunn work for the school? 1856 01:33:21,994 --> 01:33:24,114 No. He's PR for the Boston College. 1857 01:33:24,154 --> 01:33:26,094 They call him when they need help. 1858 01:33:26,164 --> 01:33:28,054 And Pete Conley, why was he there? 1859 01:33:28,094 --> 01:33:29,314 Good question. 1860 01:33:29,394 --> 01:33:31,314 Pete's a big alum, but I called Bill directly... 1861 01:33:31,334 --> 01:33:32,744 and I asked for a sit-down, 1862 01:33:32,834 --> 01:33:34,344 I never mentioned anybody else. 1863 01:33:36,404 --> 01:33:38,264 Looks like everybody already knows the story. 1864 01:33:38,474 --> 01:33:40,514 Yeah, except us... 1865 01:33:40,604 --> 01:33:41,904 and we work right there. 1866 01:33:45,604 --> 01:33:47,534 - Judge Volterra? - Yes. 1867 01:33:47,644 --> 01:33:49,894 Hi, I'm Mike Rezendes from The Boston Globe. 1868 01:33:49,924 --> 01:33:51,334 I've been having some troubles... 1869 01:33:51,424 --> 01:33:53,494 accessing some public records down in the records room. 1870 01:33:53,524 --> 01:33:56,204 I was wondering if I can have a word with you? 1871 01:33:56,244 --> 01:33:57,574 - Alright. - Thank you. 1872 01:34:03,224 --> 01:34:06,134 These exhibits you're after Mr. Rezendes... 1873 01:34:07,244 --> 01:34:09,044 They're very sensitive records. 1874 01:34:09,734 --> 01:34:12,374 With all due respect Your Honor, that's not the question. 1875 01:34:13,234 --> 01:34:14,554 The records are public. 1876 01:34:15,874 --> 01:34:17,864 Maybe so, but tell me... 1877 01:34:18,184 --> 01:34:20,724 Where is the editorial responsibility... 1878 01:34:20,734 --> 01:34:22,644 In publishing records of this nature? 1879 01:34:22,784 --> 01:34:24,584 Well, where is the editorial responsibility... 1880 01:34:24,594 --> 01:34:26,144 in not publishing them? 1881 01:34:36,864 --> 01:34:39,254 You can't take those. You need to make copies. 1882 01:34:39,394 --> 01:34:42,044 - I'm going to the copy room. - It's been closed at 4 p.m. 1883 01:34:46,904 --> 01:34:48,834 Look, I'll give you... 1884 01:34:50,974 --> 01:34:52,634 $83 to use yours. 1885 01:34:58,844 --> 01:35:00,244 Hey, cab! 1886 01:35:01,384 --> 01:35:04,334 Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! 1887 01:35:07,194 --> 01:35:09,284 Take me to The Boston Globe on Morrissey Boulevard. 1888 01:35:09,764 --> 01:35:12,974 Don't take 93, take Dorchester Avenue. 1889 01:35:14,834 --> 01:35:16,234 Robby, it's incredible. 1890 01:35:16,484 --> 01:35:19,494 Law knew about Geoghan for years, no question. 1891 01:35:19,774 --> 01:35:21,744 There's a letter to Law... 1892 01:35:21,754 --> 01:35:24,144 from a woman, Margaret Gallant, who lived in Jamaica Plain... 1893 01:35:24,154 --> 01:35:25,944 in early 80's when Geoghan was there. 1894 01:35:25,964 --> 01:35:26,764 Listen to this. 1895 01:35:27,214 --> 01:35:29,544 Our family is rooted in the Church. 1896 01:35:29,574 --> 01:35:32,324 Our desire is to protect the holy orders. 1897 01:35:32,514 --> 01:35:34,674 Even in the midst of our agony... 1898 01:35:34,684 --> 01:35:36,274 over the seven boys in our family... 1899 01:35:36,404 --> 01:35:38,074 who have been violated. 1900 01:35:38,094 --> 01:35:39,984 Seven Robby. Seven boys! 1901 01:35:40,554 --> 01:35:43,234 It was suggested that we keep silent. 1902 01:35:43,724 --> 01:35:45,684 We did not question the Authority of the Church... 1903 01:35:45,724 --> 01:35:46,924 two years ago. 1904 01:35:47,064 --> 01:35:49,854 But since, Father Geoghan is still in his parish. 1905 01:35:49,934 --> 01:35:53,264 Which she send it to Law and Law did shit! 1906 01:35:53,734 --> 01:35:55,524 Here's another one to Law, same year. 1907 01:35:55,784 --> 01:35:56,624 Listen to this. 1908 01:35:57,274 --> 01:35:59,824 "A word on the recent assaignment to Father Geoghan..." 1909 01:35:59,854 --> 01:36:02,374 "as an associate at Saint Julia's in Weston..." 1910 01:36:02,814 --> 01:36:05,674 "Father Geoghan has a history of homosexual involvement..." 1911 01:36:05,814 --> 01:36:07,224 with young boys. 1912 01:36:07,524 --> 01:36:09,944 I understand his recent departure from Saint Brendan's may be... 1913 01:36:09,964 --> 01:36:11,344 related to this problem." 1914 01:36:11,434 --> 01:36:13,324 "I wonder if Father Geoghan should not be..." 1915 01:36:13,354 --> 01:36:15,214 reduced to just weekend work while... 1916 01:36:15,224 --> 01:36:16,654 receiving some kind of therapy. 1917 01:36:17,094 --> 01:36:19,794 You know how grateful I am to you for you constant concern... 1918 01:36:19,814 --> 01:36:21,624 sincerely yours in our Lord, 1919 01:36:21,664 --> 01:36:23,434 most reverend John M. Darcy, 1920 01:36:23,454 --> 01:36:27,074 Auxiliary Bishop of Boston. December 7, 1984." 1921 01:36:27,104 --> 01:36:28,354 An Auxiliary Bishop wrote that? 1922 01:36:28,504 --> 01:36:29,554 That's incredible. 1923 01:36:30,304 --> 01:36:33,474 He broke ranks, I mean... When did Gallant write her letter? 1924 01:36:33,504 --> 01:36:34,654 1984. 1925 01:36:34,704 --> 01:36:35,854 And Law just ignored it. 1926 01:36:35,884 --> 01:36:37,584 How do you ignore that freaking letter? 1927 01:36:37,734 --> 01:36:38,754 We've got him. 1928 01:36:39,324 --> 01:36:41,254 You can't read this letters and think anything else. 1929 01:36:41,364 --> 01:36:42,154 It's proof. 1930 01:36:42,224 --> 01:36:43,874 Yeah, it is. 1931 01:36:44,584 --> 01:36:46,164 This is good work. 1932 01:36:46,784 --> 01:36:48,164 Should we take it up to Ben? 1933 01:36:50,324 --> 01:36:51,944 No, not yet. 1934 01:36:52,224 --> 01:36:53,644 Why not? 1935 01:36:54,064 --> 01:36:55,484 We got Law. This is it. 1936 01:36:55,524 --> 01:36:58,254 No, this is Law covering for one priest. 1937 01:36:58,284 --> 01:36:59,614 There's other 90 out there. 1938 01:36:59,784 --> 01:37:01,514 Yeah, we'll print that story when we get it. 1939 01:37:01,654 --> 01:37:02,924 But we got to go with this now. 1940 01:37:02,944 --> 01:37:04,974 No, I'm not gonna rush this story, Mike. 1941 01:37:05,014 --> 01:37:06,304 But we don't have a choice, Robby. 1942 01:37:06,344 --> 01:37:09,904 If we don't rush to print somebody else is gonna find this letters... 1943 01:37:09,924 --> 01:37:11,064 and butcher the story. 1944 01:37:11,084 --> 01:37:13,804 John Quinby from The Herald was at the freaking courthouse. 1945 01:37:14,014 --> 01:37:15,604 So we'll write a holding story... 1946 01:37:15,634 --> 01:37:17,194 and we'll keep our eye on The Herald. 1947 01:37:17,214 --> 01:37:18,144 - Keep our eye on The Herald? - Yeah. 1948 01:37:18,164 --> 01:37:19,924 If they run this and they get it wrong... 1949 01:37:19,944 --> 01:37:21,084 the Church will bury it. 1950 01:37:21,144 --> 01:37:22,184 We got to do this now. 1951 01:37:22,214 --> 01:37:23,334 Mike, Mike. 1952 01:37:23,354 --> 01:37:25,034 What? Why are we hesitating? 1953 01:37:25,294 --> 01:37:27,284 Baron told us to get Law. This is Law. 1954 01:37:27,324 --> 01:37:29,514 Baron told us to get the system. 1955 01:37:29,554 --> 01:37:31,014 We need the full scope. 1956 01:37:31,334 --> 01:37:33,454 That's the only thing that will put an end on this. 1957 01:37:33,474 --> 01:37:35,214 Then let's take it up to Ben and let him decide. 1958 01:37:35,434 --> 01:37:37,564 We'll take to Ben when I say it's time. 1959 01:37:37,584 --> 01:37:39,824 It's time, Robby! It's time! 1960 01:37:41,244 --> 01:37:43,944 They knew and they let it happen... 1961 01:37:43,984 --> 01:37:46,324 to kids. Ok? 1962 01:37:46,584 --> 01:37:48,124 It could have been you, It could have been me. 1963 01:37:48,174 --> 01:37:49,734 It could have been any of us. 1964 01:37:50,984 --> 01:37:52,624 We gotta nail these scumbags. 1965 01:37:52,644 --> 01:37:53,814 We gotta show people... 1966 01:37:53,994 --> 01:37:55,974 that nobody can get away with this. 1967 01:37:56,064 --> 01:37:59,024 Not a priest or a Cardinal, or a freaking Pope! 1968 01:38:02,034 --> 01:38:04,864 - You finished? - Yeah, I am. 1969 01:38:05,664 --> 01:38:06,894 This is bullshit! 1970 01:38:36,864 --> 01:38:37,864 You ok? 1971 01:38:48,114 --> 01:38:51,284 - Hi Hansi. - Hard day at work, Mike? 1972 01:38:56,654 --> 01:38:57,714 - Here. - Thank you. 1973 01:38:59,154 --> 01:39:01,834 I don't know why I got so pissed off, you know. 1974 01:39:01,954 --> 01:39:03,034 I think Robby is wrong. 1975 01:39:03,094 --> 01:39:05,264 You know, you just... 1976 01:39:05,394 --> 01:39:07,114 You care about the story, Mike. We all do. 1977 01:39:08,994 --> 01:39:10,284 Yeah, I guess. 1978 01:39:13,904 --> 01:39:15,684 I stopped going to Church with my nana. 1979 01:39:17,804 --> 01:39:21,044 It was... It was to hard, you know. 1980 01:39:21,174 --> 01:39:22,404 I'd be sitting there and I... 1981 01:39:22,414 --> 01:39:24,704 I would start thinking about Joe Crowley... 1982 01:39:24,734 --> 01:39:26,424 or someone else and I just... 1983 01:39:26,934 --> 01:39:28,424 I just got so angry. 1984 01:39:29,584 --> 01:39:31,684 Did you, did you tell her why? 1985 01:39:32,704 --> 01:39:35,164 She goes to Church 3 times a week, Mike. 1986 01:39:40,294 --> 01:39:41,834 It really pisses me off. 1987 01:39:43,534 --> 01:39:44,664 Yeah. 1988 01:39:46,604 --> 01:39:49,574 I actually really liked going to Church when I was a little kid. 1989 01:39:51,644 --> 01:39:53,294 Why did you stop? 1990 01:39:53,344 --> 01:39:54,694 Typical shit. 1991 01:39:56,544 --> 01:39:57,984 But the weird thing is, is... 1992 01:40:01,684 --> 01:40:02,904 I think I... 1993 01:40:04,084 --> 01:40:06,004 I think I figured that maybe one day I would... 1994 01:40:08,724 --> 01:40:10,734 I would actually go back. 1995 01:40:12,724 --> 01:40:14,724 I really, I was holding on to that. 1996 01:40:17,434 --> 01:40:19,264 Then I read those letters and... 1997 01:40:20,834 --> 01:40:22,464 And something's just... 1998 01:40:23,464 --> 01:40:24,764 cracked. 1999 01:40:26,174 --> 01:40:28,234 - It's a shitty feeling. - Yeah. 2000 01:40:29,674 --> 01:40:31,234 It's a shitty feeling. 2001 01:40:35,614 --> 01:40:37,644 - Looks like a long day. - Hey Pete. 2002 01:40:37,664 --> 01:40:39,304 I'm sorry to make it longer. 2003 01:40:40,094 --> 01:40:41,094 Brian... 2004 01:40:42,424 --> 01:40:44,644 Does anyone ever said no to a drink with you, Pete. 2005 01:40:45,864 --> 01:40:47,154 Well sure. 2006 01:40:47,564 --> 01:40:49,354 The trick is to keep asking. 2007 01:40:49,834 --> 01:40:51,824 - For Boston. - For Boston. 2008 01:40:54,974 --> 01:40:57,504 So... You're here for the Cardinal? 2009 01:40:57,674 --> 01:41:00,404 No, no, no. I wouldn't. 2010 01:41:00,514 --> 01:41:03,224 I wouldn't presume to speak for the Cardinal, you know. 2011 01:41:04,754 --> 01:41:05,774 You know? 2012 01:41:06,384 --> 01:41:08,564 You got a lot of people here respect you, Robby. 2013 01:41:08,604 --> 01:41:10,284 - Yeah. - With work you do. 2014 01:41:10,924 --> 01:41:12,204 That's good to know. 2015 01:41:12,224 --> 01:41:13,994 You know, it's cause you care about this place. 2016 01:41:14,194 --> 01:41:14,804 Yeah. 2017 01:41:14,824 --> 01:41:16,774 It's why you do what you do, it's who you are. 2018 01:41:17,664 --> 01:41:19,884 But people need the Church 2019 01:41:20,764 --> 01:41:22,584 more than ever right now. 2020 01:41:23,364 --> 01:41:24,894 You know, you can feel it. 2021 01:41:25,364 --> 01:41:26,814 And the Cardinal... 2022 01:41:28,634 --> 01:41:31,474 You know, the Cardinal, he may not be perfect... 2023 01:41:31,964 --> 01:41:34,194 but we can't throw out all the good he's doing 2024 01:41:34,204 --> 01:41:35,724 over a few bad apples. 2025 01:41:37,584 --> 01:41:39,174 You know, I'm bringing this up to you... 2026 01:41:39,174 --> 01:41:42,274 because I know this is Baron's idea. His agenda. 2027 01:41:43,284 --> 01:41:45,364 I gotta tell you, honest to God, I mean... 2028 01:41:45,384 --> 01:41:47,454 He doesn't care about this city the way we do. 2029 01:41:48,694 --> 01:41:49,814 I mean, how could he? 2030 01:41:56,534 --> 01:41:59,644 - This is how it happens, isn't it, Pete? - What's that? 2031 01:41:59,874 --> 01:42:02,584 Guy leans on the guy and suddenly... 2032 01:42:02,614 --> 01:42:04,844 the whole town just looks the other way. 2033 01:42:07,144 --> 01:42:08,314 Robby, Robby... 2034 01:42:09,574 --> 01:42:10,624 Look it... 2035 01:42:11,574 --> 01:42:13,924 Marty Baron is just trying to make his mark. 2036 01:42:14,344 --> 01:42:15,874 He's gonna be here for a couple of years... 2037 01:42:15,994 --> 01:42:17,504 and he's gonna move on, 2038 01:42:17,534 --> 01:42:19,804 just like he did in New York and Miami. 2039 01:42:21,794 --> 01:42:23,114 Where are you gonna go? 2040 01:42:28,664 --> 01:42:30,734 Good night, Robby. Brian. 2041 01:42:32,034 --> 01:42:34,464 - Hey Pete? - Yeah. 2042 01:42:36,634 --> 01:42:38,554 When we do run the story, 2043 01:42:38,914 --> 01:42:41,174 I'm gonna need a comment from the Cardinal. 2044 01:42:43,314 --> 01:42:45,874 We'll talk again later. Good night, Robby. 2045 01:42:45,884 --> 01:42:46,904 Good night, Pete. 2046 01:42:57,764 --> 01:42:58,764 Robby. 2047 01:43:00,634 --> 01:43:01,774 What? 2048 01:43:02,434 --> 01:43:04,174 No shit. When? 2049 01:43:06,604 --> 01:43:08,514 Ok. Yeah. 2050 01:43:11,774 --> 01:43:12,774 Hey... 2051 01:43:13,914 --> 01:43:14,914 What's up? 2052 01:43:16,314 --> 01:43:18,384 Sweeney ruled in our favor. 2053 01:43:18,514 --> 01:43:20,584 She ruled to unseal the documents. 2054 01:43:22,314 --> 01:43:23,314 Jesus! 2055 01:43:27,454 --> 01:43:29,044 Church has already filed an appeal... 2056 01:43:29,074 --> 01:43:30,624 but the trial Court of ruling... 2057 01:43:30,644 --> 01:43:32,624 is generally upheld in this matters. 2058 01:43:32,814 --> 01:43:34,754 And when do we get the documents? 2059 01:43:35,364 --> 01:43:37,724 Probably takes Cohen a few weeks to rule... 2060 01:43:37,914 --> 01:43:39,574 and then there's a redaction process. 2061 01:43:40,234 --> 01:43:43,034 I'd say it would be made public, mid January. 2062 01:43:44,104 --> 01:43:45,104 - Ok. - Alright. 2063 01:43:45,224 --> 01:43:46,364 - Thanks Jon. - You bet. 2064 01:43:46,574 --> 01:43:47,894 - Nice work. - Thanks. 2065 01:43:48,474 --> 01:43:50,094 Metro should run something, Marty. 2066 01:43:50,474 --> 01:43:52,094 We can't run this one big. 2067 01:43:52,684 --> 01:43:53,864 Why wouldn't we? 2068 01:43:53,884 --> 01:43:55,614 It's a major First Amendment victory. 2069 01:43:55,684 --> 01:43:57,834 Not to mention you got an Irish catholic Judge... 2070 01:43:57,864 --> 01:43:59,304 ruling against the Church. 2071 01:43:59,424 --> 01:44:00,854 That's a hell of a precedent. 2072 01:44:01,424 --> 01:44:03,854 We don't want the Herald going deep on this. 2073 01:44:04,584 --> 01:44:05,704 Why is that? 2074 01:44:08,064 --> 01:44:09,674 You're gonna have to step out, Peter. 2075 01:44:10,014 --> 01:44:11,274 I'm not stepping out. 2076 01:44:20,174 --> 01:44:21,244 Peter... 2077 01:44:35,824 --> 01:44:38,044 - When did you...? - Couple of weeks ago. 2078 01:44:38,124 --> 01:44:39,364 Couple of weeks? 2079 01:44:39,454 --> 01:44:40,244 Yeah. 2080 01:44:40,264 --> 01:44:42,804 - And you're telling us now? - These are substantial. 2081 01:44:44,064 --> 01:44:46,394 It clearly shows that Law was negligent. 2082 01:44:47,234 --> 01:44:49,634 I need more time. I wanna keep digging. 2083 01:44:49,974 --> 01:44:51,314 For what? This is the goddamn story. 2084 01:44:51,374 --> 01:44:52,714 It's not the whole story. 2085 01:44:52,804 --> 01:44:54,314 Tough shit, we're on a clock now. 2086 01:44:54,704 --> 01:44:56,184 Even if we don't run Sweeney's rulings... 2087 01:44:56,224 --> 01:44:58,344 another paper could find this letters and fuck the story. 2088 01:44:58,384 --> 01:44:59,474 Agreed. 2089 01:44:59,504 --> 01:45:00,834 But we run these letters alone... 2090 01:45:00,844 --> 01:45:02,764 Law apologizes, says it's one time thing... 2091 01:45:02,784 --> 01:45:04,084 and he can bury it. 2092 01:45:04,254 --> 01:45:05,844 How? This clearly show he knew... 2093 01:45:05,874 --> 01:45:07,034 and did nothing about it. 2094 01:45:07,054 --> 01:45:10,084 Look, I'm close to stories on 70 priests. 2095 01:45:10,554 --> 01:45:13,454 We nail that along with those letters... 2096 01:45:13,484 --> 01:45:16,144 this is proof that this is bigger than Law. 2097 01:45:17,104 --> 01:45:18,354 This is the whole system. 2098 01:45:19,324 --> 01:45:20,844 Your multiple sources... 2099 01:45:20,854 --> 01:45:22,584 confirming all those priests? 2100 01:45:22,724 --> 01:45:24,344 Some. I'll get more. 2101 01:45:24,744 --> 01:45:26,794 Too risky. If we're not buttoned up... 2102 01:45:26,804 --> 01:45:29,084 on every single one of them the Church will pick us apart. 2103 01:45:31,014 --> 01:45:33,404 I think I can get us someone from the other side of the isle. 2104 01:45:33,654 --> 01:45:35,354 Somebody inside the Church? 2105 01:45:36,054 --> 01:45:37,454 Yeah, a lawyer. 2106 01:45:37,954 --> 01:45:39,224 Will he go on the record? 2107 01:45:40,154 --> 01:45:42,584 Deep background, but he's a solid source. 2108 01:45:46,324 --> 01:45:48,584 Rezendes needs time to write the story. 2109 01:45:48,874 --> 01:45:50,094 We don't want to drop it on Christmass... 2110 01:45:50,114 --> 01:45:51,244 not after the 9/11. 2111 01:45:52,534 --> 01:45:54,684 We can run it just after New Years. 2112 01:45:54,874 --> 01:45:57,044 Before they release the rest of the documents. 2113 01:46:00,974 --> 01:46:01,974 Alright. 2114 01:46:03,144 --> 01:46:05,714 Tell Canellos to bury the ruling in Metro. 2115 01:46:07,614 --> 01:46:10,504 - You got six weeks. - Thank you. 2116 01:46:11,854 --> 01:46:13,934 Tell Mike I want a draft by Christmass. 2117 01:46:13,954 --> 01:46:16,634 - And we need a response from Lake Street. - Yeah. 2118 01:46:16,654 --> 01:46:17,664 Who does PR for the Cardinal? 2119 01:46:17,774 --> 01:46:18,614 Still John Walsh? 2120 01:46:18,644 --> 01:46:20,014 No, somebody new. Donna Morrissey. 2121 01:46:20,114 --> 01:46:21,634 She came from TV. She's young. 2122 01:46:21,794 --> 01:46:24,874 Good, get a quote. We need something from Law to appear even-handed. 2123 01:46:24,904 --> 01:46:27,104 Robby, next time give me a goddamn heads up. 2124 01:46:27,374 --> 01:46:28,374 Will do. 2125 01:47:51,824 --> 01:47:53,904 Robby, what a nice surprise. 2126 01:47:54,424 --> 01:47:55,604 Come on in. 2127 01:48:02,734 --> 01:48:05,534 Hey hun... Look who I found outside. 2128 01:48:08,604 --> 01:48:10,214 Karen, can you give us a minute? 2129 01:48:12,144 --> 01:48:15,104 - Sure. - Good to see you, Karen. 2130 01:48:18,484 --> 01:48:19,484 What's up? 2131 01:48:34,664 --> 01:48:35,984 I'm out of time, Jim. 2132 01:48:37,304 --> 01:48:40,344 We got cover-up stories on 70 priests. 2133 01:48:40,674 --> 01:48:42,584 But the boss is not gonna run it... 2134 01:48:42,634 --> 01:48:45,084 unless I got confirmation from your side. 2135 01:48:47,044 --> 01:48:48,954 Are you out of your mind? 2136 01:48:48,984 --> 01:48:51,464 Come on. This is our town, Jimmy. 2137 01:48:51,714 --> 01:48:53,904 Everybody knew something was going on. 2138 01:48:54,214 --> 01:48:55,504 And no one did a thing. 2139 01:48:56,414 --> 01:48:58,174 We got to put an end to it. 2140 01:48:58,204 --> 01:48:59,924 Don't tell me what I got to do. 2141 01:49:00,524 --> 01:49:02,294 Yeah, I helped defend this scumbags, 2142 01:49:02,404 --> 01:49:04,034 but that's my job, Robby. 2143 01:49:04,284 --> 01:49:06,034 I was doing my job! 2144 01:49:06,964 --> 01:49:08,074 Yeah. 2145 01:49:09,434 --> 01:49:11,044 You and everyone else. 2146 01:49:19,744 --> 01:49:21,434 Get out of my house. 2147 01:49:32,424 --> 01:49:33,424 Hey! 2148 01:49:35,524 --> 01:49:38,744 You come to my home and lay this shit on me? 2149 01:49:38,934 --> 01:49:40,514 You were right, Robby. 2150 01:49:41,034 --> 01:49:43,944 We all knew something was going on. 2151 01:49:43,984 --> 01:49:45,524 So where were you? 2152 01:49:46,884 --> 01:49:48,224 What took you so long? 2153 01:49:54,814 --> 01:49:56,194 I don't know, Jim. 2154 01:50:01,554 --> 01:50:02,764 Give me the list. 2155 01:50:59,504 --> 01:51:00,774 Larry, we're gonna press in 6 hours. 2156 01:51:00,774 --> 01:51:03,554 Donna Morrissey said she'd call us with quote from Law hours ago. 2157 01:51:03,594 --> 01:51:05,654 - That's what I thought. - Where did you talk to her? 2158 01:51:05,874 --> 01:51:07,044 Ok, Ok. 2159 01:51:07,874 --> 01:51:10,044 Yeah, yeah that's good to know. 2160 01:51:10,384 --> 01:51:12,574 - Thanks Pete. - Anything? 2161 01:51:12,924 --> 01:51:14,874 Conley said that Donna Morrissey should have called, 2162 01:51:14,884 --> 01:51:15,784 he just left Lake Street. 2163 01:51:15,924 --> 01:51:17,864 Yeah. Rasky said the same thing. 2164 01:51:17,884 --> 01:51:18,874 This si ridiculous. 2165 01:51:18,884 --> 01:51:20,374 You think they wanna get ahead on this. 2166 01:51:20,384 --> 01:51:22,034 I mean they be idiots not to. 2167 01:51:22,194 --> 01:51:25,704 I would love to see their faces when they read this thing man. 2168 01:51:25,724 --> 01:51:27,674 You know Sunday's the Feast of the Epiphany? 2169 01:51:28,334 --> 01:51:29,334 Seems appropriate. 2170 01:51:35,774 --> 01:51:36,884 Mike Rezendes. 2171 01:51:38,744 --> 01:51:39,584 Hey Donna. 2172 01:51:40,274 --> 01:51:41,084 Thanks for calling. 2173 01:51:41,104 --> 01:51:43,304 Yeah. I just had a few questions if you have a minute. 2174 01:51:46,024 --> 01:51:47,534 What? 2175 01:51:48,554 --> 01:51:50,924 - What? - Other adjective. 2176 01:51:52,824 --> 01:51:55,064 - Anything? - Law just turned us down. 2177 01:51:55,084 --> 01:51:56,144 Jesus Christ. 2178 01:51:56,384 --> 01:51:58,044 I just got of the phone with Donna Morrissey... 2179 01:51:58,064 --> 01:51:59,984 she said, quote "we don't even want..." 2180 01:51:59,994 --> 01:52:01,214 to know what the questions are". 2181 01:52:01,234 --> 01:52:03,074 - End quote. - Did she really said that? 2182 01:52:03,134 --> 01:52:05,064 - Yeah. - Well, that oughta do it. 2183 01:52:05,344 --> 01:52:07,504 The Church had no interests in knowing... 2184 01:52:07,514 --> 01:52:09,654 what the Globe's questions would be. 2185 01:52:11,144 --> 01:52:13,544 Work it in somewhere before the jump. Anything else? 2186 01:52:13,744 --> 01:52:16,504 Matt wants to put the letters online, so that the readers... 2187 01:52:16,504 --> 01:52:17,504 can see for themselves. 2188 01:52:17,534 --> 01:52:19,964 We can run the URL at the bottom of the article. 2189 01:52:20,184 --> 01:52:21,864 - It's pretty straightforward. - Ok. 2190 01:52:21,894 --> 01:52:24,024 We also put the Spotlight tip line at the end of the story... 2191 01:52:24,064 --> 01:52:25,514 so people can call in. 2192 01:52:25,524 --> 01:52:26,924 It goes directly to our office. 2193 01:52:26,954 --> 01:52:28,184 Matt and I can go in the morning... 2194 01:52:28,194 --> 01:52:29,414 in case we get any calls. 2195 01:52:29,444 --> 01:52:31,484 I'm more concerned about the phones at reception. 2196 01:52:31,504 --> 01:52:32,914 After we ran the Porter case, 2197 01:52:32,994 --> 01:52:34,514 the message center were tied up for weeks. 2198 01:52:35,674 --> 01:52:37,754 There were picketers too. Lots of them. 2199 01:52:37,974 --> 01:52:40,434 I'll talk to Richard about the security and the phones. 2200 01:52:41,174 --> 01:52:43,324 How are we coming on the folo story? 2201 01:52:44,114 --> 01:52:46,714 Well we've now done multiple stories on 70 priests. 2202 01:52:47,854 --> 01:52:48,954 All 70? 2203 01:52:49,054 --> 01:52:51,354 And with confirmation from Robby's source, 2204 01:52:51,374 --> 01:52:52,094 we are ready to go. 2205 01:52:52,134 --> 01:52:53,504 We can have a draft next week. 2206 01:52:53,634 --> 01:52:55,904 Robby, that source of yours, 2207 01:52:55,914 --> 01:52:57,604 is it something we could revisit? 2208 01:52:59,994 --> 01:53:00,994 It might be tough. 2209 01:53:01,134 --> 01:53:02,524 But he has no problem helping... 2210 01:53:02,534 --> 01:53:04,464 the Church protect dozens of dirty priests. 2211 01:53:04,604 --> 01:53:07,474 - Guy is a scumbag. - He's a lawyer, he's doing his job. 2212 01:53:07,494 --> 01:53:09,824 - He's a shill for the Church. - He knew and he did nothing. 2213 01:53:09,934 --> 01:53:12,044 He could have said something years ago. Maybe save some lives. 2214 01:53:12,304 --> 01:53:13,304 What about us? 2215 01:53:15,114 --> 01:53:16,444 What's that supposed to mean? 2216 01:53:16,514 --> 01:53:17,944 We had all the pieces. 2217 01:53:18,544 --> 01:53:20,244 Why didn't we get it sooner? 2218 01:53:20,264 --> 01:53:21,244 We didn't have all the pieces. 2219 01:53:21,264 --> 01:53:24,244 We had Saviano, we had Barrett, we had Geoghan. 2220 01:53:24,534 --> 01:53:26,204 We had the directories in the basement. 2221 01:53:26,354 --> 01:53:27,544 You know what, we got it now. 2222 01:53:27,564 --> 01:53:29,784 Robby, this story needed Spotlight. 2223 01:53:30,304 --> 01:53:32,744 Mike, Spotlight's been around since 1970. 2224 01:53:32,874 --> 01:53:34,704 So what? We couldn't see... 2225 01:53:34,724 --> 01:53:36,104 the scope of this. No one could. 2226 01:53:36,134 --> 01:53:38,224 Robby, this started with one goddamn priest. 2227 01:53:41,174 --> 01:53:44,154 Macleish sent us a letter of 20 priests years ago. 2228 01:53:44,174 --> 01:53:45,454 Sacha found a clip. 2229 01:53:46,644 --> 01:53:48,214 Are you freaking kidding me? 20 priests? 2230 01:53:48,744 --> 01:53:49,714 When? 2231 01:53:51,214 --> 01:53:53,614 Just after Porter. December of '93. 2232 01:53:53,904 --> 01:53:56,944 We buried the story in Metro. No folo. 2233 01:53:58,104 --> 01:53:59,544 That was you. 2234 01:54:01,354 --> 01:54:02,444 You were Metro. 2235 01:54:03,324 --> 01:54:05,454 Yeah. That was me. 2236 01:54:05,564 --> 01:54:08,454 I'd just taken over. I don't remember it at all. 2237 01:54:10,234 --> 01:54:11,234 But yeah. 2238 01:54:16,404 --> 01:54:18,964 Can I Say something here? 2239 01:54:20,714 --> 01:54:22,684 Sometimes it's easy to forget... 2240 01:54:22,694 --> 01:54:23,784 that we spend most of our time... 2241 01:54:23,814 --> 01:54:25,794 stumbling around the dark. 2242 01:54:26,084 --> 01:54:28,504 Suddenly a light gets turned on and... 2243 01:54:28,514 --> 01:54:31,244 there's a fair share of blame to go around. 2244 01:54:32,744 --> 01:54:34,254 I can't speak to what happened... 2245 01:54:34,264 --> 01:54:35,964 before I arrived, but... 2246 01:54:36,524 --> 01:54:39,374 All of you have done some very good reporting here, 2247 01:54:40,464 --> 01:54:42,414 reporting that I believe is gonna have... 2248 01:54:42,454 --> 01:54:44,934 an immediate and considerable impact... 2249 01:54:44,954 --> 01:54:46,344 on our readers. 2250 01:54:48,204 --> 01:54:51,744 For me, This kind of story is why we do this. 2251 01:54:52,304 --> 01:54:54,154 Having said that, Cardinal Law and... 2252 01:54:54,154 --> 01:54:55,854 the catholic community are gonna have... 2253 01:54:55,854 --> 01:54:57,694 a very strong response to this. 2254 01:54:58,804 --> 01:55:02,954 So if you need a moment, you've earned it. 2255 01:55:03,554 --> 01:55:08,434 But, I will need you back here monday morning, focused... 2256 01:55:09,024 --> 01:55:10,564 and ready to do your job. 2257 01:55:19,304 --> 01:55:21,774 - Leaving? - Yeah. 2258 01:55:27,814 --> 01:55:30,634 I just got a call from the Cardinal. 2259 01:55:30,674 --> 01:55:32,334 Really? Why? 2260 01:55:32,344 --> 01:55:36,454 He wanted to tell me personally he had decided not to comment and... 2261 01:55:36,784 --> 01:55:40,664 He said he wanted to, uh, extend me that courtesy. 2262 01:55:40,684 --> 01:55:43,724 Jesus, the balls on that guy. What did you say? 2263 01:55:44,154 --> 01:55:47,144 I told him he was making mistake and that we're gonna run the story. 2264 01:55:47,494 --> 01:55:49,164 Damn right we're gonna run it. 2265 01:56:14,454 --> 01:56:17,524 Sacha, can I have a drink of water? 2266 01:56:17,564 --> 01:56:19,974 Yeah, sure nana. Yeah. 2267 01:56:31,344 --> 01:56:32,344 Can I keep this? 2268 01:56:33,924 --> 01:56:35,374 Sure. 2269 01:56:35,924 --> 01:56:37,374 I thought you should see it first. 2270 01:56:37,984 --> 01:56:39,134 Thank you for bringing it by. 2271 01:56:42,454 --> 01:56:44,864 Now I have some plans I have to attend to. 2272 01:57:03,074 --> 01:57:04,524 Both kids were abused. 2273 01:57:04,724 --> 01:57:06,844 Jamaica Plain two weeks ago. 2274 01:57:09,214 --> 01:57:12,854 Keep... Doing your work, Mr. Rezendes. 2275 01:57:14,584 --> 01:57:16,394 Hello! 2276 01:57:16,814 --> 01:57:18,274 How are you guys doing? 2277 01:57:19,684 --> 01:57:21,074 Good... 2278 01:57:44,314 --> 01:57:47,444 Church allowed abuse by priest for years. 2279 01:58:07,374 --> 01:58:09,504 - Hey. - Good morning. 2280 01:58:10,234 --> 01:58:13,904 - How did you sleep? - Not very well. You? 2281 01:58:14,004 --> 01:58:15,494 I haven't slept well for months. 2282 01:58:18,174 --> 01:58:19,904 I've actually started writing. 2283 01:58:20,534 --> 01:58:21,284 Writing? 2284 01:58:21,304 --> 01:58:22,714 Yeah. I'm working on a book. 2285 01:58:22,734 --> 01:58:24,544 Gives me something else to focus on. 2286 01:58:24,684 --> 01:58:26,024 What kind of book? 2287 01:58:26,384 --> 01:58:27,024 Horror. 2288 01:58:34,594 --> 01:58:35,594 Spotlight? 2289 01:58:37,034 --> 01:58:38,874 Yeah, yeah. Of course. 2290 01:58:39,234 --> 01:58:40,874 Can I get your name please? 2291 01:58:57,754 --> 01:59:00,404 - You do know it's sunday, right? - Couldn't get a tee time. 2292 01:59:03,894 --> 01:59:04,904 No picketers. 2293 01:59:05,204 --> 01:59:07,864 Yeah. Well they're still at Church. 2294 01:59:10,494 --> 01:59:13,054 Hey Linda. It's quiet, huh? 2295 01:59:13,084 --> 01:59:15,444 Yeah. Easiest overtime I ever made, 2296 01:59:15,574 --> 01:59:17,074 Phone hasn't rang once. 2297 01:59:17,304 --> 01:59:19,394 Matty send two of mine down to Spotlight. 2298 01:59:23,144 --> 01:59:24,374 - Great article guys. - Thank you. 2299 01:59:24,414 --> 01:59:26,674 - Thanks. - Spotlight? 2300 01:59:53,244 --> 01:59:54,674 Phones have been ringing all morning. 2301 01:59:54,704 --> 01:59:56,284 - That's right. - Thank you very much. 2302 01:59:56,574 --> 01:59:57,454 Spotlight. 2303 01:59:57,544 --> 01:59:59,534 - Mike, can you grab that? - Yeah, yeah. 2304 02:00:00,844 --> 02:00:02,634 They're almost all victims, Robby. 2305 02:00:05,124 --> 02:00:06,124 I'm sorry... 2306 02:00:06,204 --> 02:00:07,484 This is Sacha Pfeiffer. 2307 02:00:08,134 --> 02:00:09,164 I'm sorry, can I...? 2308 02:00:11,384 --> 02:00:12,794 Yes you can reach me... 2309 02:00:13,964 --> 02:00:14,964 This is Spotlight. 2310 02:00:30,564 --> 02:00:31,624 This is Spotlight. 2311 02:00:32,305 --> 02:00:38,802 Please rate this subtitle at www.osdb.link/3jz2y Help other users to choose the best subtitles